Originally Posted by mstateglfr

Knockoffs are bad, agreed.
At the same time, the people who buy them weren't going to buy the real thing due to price and/or perceived value. And since the knockoff isnt as good quality/performance, the real brand isn't losing out and the fake product isn't giving the customer the same experience.

I am not justifying knockoffs, to be clear. I am explaining the fundamental difference and that it can result in something that is a uniquely different product. It may look similar to the real product, but it performs differently.
This isn't applicable to all knockoffs, but it is for a lot.


Anyways, I am actually posting because I want to get your take on Rockbros products that aren't knockoffs. The brand produces a lot of their own design products...are those acceptable, or are they fruit of the poisonous tree?

Originally Posted by icemilkcoffee

Rockbros sell roughly 1 million items. Most of them are fairly generic things like lights and bags. Which ones are you accusing them of being knock-offs now?

Originally Posted by veganbikes

But the choo choo train go fast and they putteded the tracks so fast so the choo choo train go fast. They can go up to 268 miles per hour which is super fast because some trains don't go that fast and when it goes that fast it makes a really cool choo choo noise wooooooooooooosh. I have a choo choo train in my room that doesn't go as fast but I had to make it and not the Chinese. Did you know in China they call Chinese food, food and they also have a big wall but their choo choo train doesn't go on the wall.

Originally Posted by icemilkcoffee

In the bicycle world, we have seen a lot of problematic products out of the big name brands throughout the years. Most recently the assploding Dura Ace/Ultegra cranksets from Shimano. Cranksets have been with us for over 100 years now. There is no reason for a crankset to assplode. And yet the most respected brand in the business did just that- put out a clearly defective assploding crankset. .

Originally Posted by veganbikes

So essentially you lied to people to expose nothing? Cool. Products of all kinds have warranty issues but the difference between them is the support afterwards. According to you Cane Creek wanted their fork back to see what was going wrong so they could solve it, the Chinese company said "keep the fork" meaning we don't care, we aren't going to solve the problems hope the new one is fine but if not our factory will just pump out just enough that hopefully one will be OK.

Having done as much warranty work as I have I see the differences between quality and not. The good ones wanted their stuff back to figure out the issues and solve it for next time, the cheap stuff usually was a toss and we will just send new ones because of course sending it back and having someone actually look at it and solve what happened and pay for R+D to not have that problem for the future.

Everyone has problems, humans are imperfect and humans are behind everything being made in the world however the good humans know that yes they can make mistakes and would rather solve them than just replace parts over and over. Also generally a company like Cane Creek has a lot fewer problems, yes they had a problem here but that is probably not a common one.

I know there are a lot of CC fakes as well, how do I know I have seen them and talked to them about it. The eeBrakes are commonly faked by Alibaba and his 40 thieves and I can imagine other things from them being faked as well so it is also possible you didn't buy from an authorized dealer given your history.