Originally Posted by
jack pot
and from a business standpoint recreational cycling is either high end Ebikers or low end Walmarters neither of which harken good news for big brand bike companies .................................................................. and for the less interested the fixed/SS crowd has really thinned out so much so that my fixed gear bar nites have devolved into 3 or 4 guys lamenting the rise of foodies on Ebikes & scooters

I think it’s worse in the road touring world. Last June I spent a several days on ACAs signature cross country route during a time when you would usually see many riders, like I had done in previous years. Last year I encountered only 7. Three were from Europe. In 2014 I camped with a dozen others one night alone. Not surprising that Trek discontinued its iconic 520 touring bike a few years ago.