alright so i went around and got to try a few shoes on, and i ended up getting the adidas el moro, one because of the price, two because they are a little more like regular shoes(see comment about ur feet freezing when riding in the cold), and three i couldnt find the damn hammers anywhere to try on, and i cant get myself to buy a shoe off the internet that i've never worn before..but thanks for all the responses
oh yeah and i freaking love the el moro's so far, but i only got to ride them around on a bike in front of the store, my pedals are still in the mail dammit