Originally Posted by mrkott3r
like sustagen? (i think that is how its spelt) Or weight gain 4000?
I can handle them Practically every milk drink I have is milo so something like that would be great for me instead of soy.
Sustagen is more of a carbohydrate drink. There's heaps of animal-free protein powders at the supermarket. Most are whey (wheat) based.
Originally Posted by mrkott3r
What is the soy argument?
many moons ago, the vegans and vegos tried to proove that we're not meant to eat any animal products, even to the point where they tried to suggest that we don't really need protein. When they realized they were dead wrong, stupid and amazingly ignorant, they came up with soy as a "good" source of plant protein. Soy seemed to have cred, because 'apparently' the Asians ate tonnes of it, and
they all seemed to live to 120!! We've since found out that Asians don't eat that much soy at all, and the soy they do eat is fermented for years, but the hippy crap we get sold is non-fermented, processed goo! Some vegan groups recommend these soy products as a staple, and a protein substitute. The soy industry is now massive, so there's no stopping it. Not only is soy not necessary, it may be unhealthy:
http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/
http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtsoy.html
http://www.mercola.com/2005/mar/23/soy.htm
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/foodm...2291%2C00.html
Originally Posted by mrkott3r
B12 never heard of this vitamin. Im guessing its found in meat so what is it found in for vegos? Ok just googled it. It says it is found in eggs and milk, this right? If it is im fine
It's actually a little frightening that you haven't heard of b12, especially if if you're thinking of being a vegetarian.
The origins of the b12 vegan 'story' is similar to the soy fabel. When the hippies were trying to proove that we didn't need any animal products, they encountered one HUGE hurdle: vitamin b12. This vitamin (the word "vitamins" comes from "vital") only naturally occurs in animal products or plants that are contaminated with animal poo or animal poo bacteria (this is why third world veg countries such as India tend to be free of b12 deficiencies: their food is contaminated with cow dung). (These days it's obviously also found in pills and fortified, processed foods). So, the vegs had one "vital" vitamin they couldn't get from plants -- this hurt their "we don't need to eat animals" fallacy, and the only rubbish they could come up with was to pretend that we just didn't need it
Since those heady, fun-filled days,
the hippies realized that they were, again, dead wrong, stupid and amazingly ignorant, and have acknowledged that we
do need vitB12. So, rather than pretend that we're not meant to eat animal prodcuts, they now conveniently tell us the their philosphy was, all along, only about ethics, not science and ethics, therefore, their disciples are now
allowed to get b12 from supplements and fortified foods.
As I said above, the need for b12 and protein has since been
SO acknowledged by vegans, that the info is available on zillions of vegan and vegy websites
I wouldn't worry too much about
your b12, Gabe Kaplan; you're most likely getting some from somewhere, and we don't need that much. The prolem is with the extremists, such as very strict vegans, vegos and raw foodists.
by Neville Martin, silly, underachieved, deferred, BASC Nutrition undergrad