Originally Posted by chephy
Originally Posted by chipcom
people are in too much of a hurry, can't stand anything that gets in their way or slows them down and lack good manners.
No, SOME people are that way, and that IS a problem but it's completely separate from the problem of The Notion. The trouble here is that many motorists THINK THAT CYCLISTS LACK GOOD MANNERS because they ride where "they ain't supposed to" (the road). I don't see why you can't see the difference between these separate problems.
Suppose you are a driving and see a little old lady walking on the road with a cane at 1.5 mph taking up a lane. If you are a mean a*hole without manners you will blast your horn and yell obscenities at her as you pass her. If you are a nice polite fellow you will say to her in a friendly but firm and concerned tone that she should move to the sidewalk for her own safety. Either way though, you're telling her to get off the road. Now, that's how drivers treat cyclists: mean *****s and nice guys, people in too much hurry and people in no hurry at all - they all feel we do not belong on the road, and that is the problem called The Notion. I can't believe that anybody who cycled in North America for more than half an hour can deny its existence.
Nice try, chephy. While reason and logic will work with Al, me, Gene (but it takes a while
) and a few other others around here, with guys like chipcom, it's a waste of time. I predict he will keep repeating his nonsense without addressing your points, as if you never made them.
I'm hoping I'm wrong in this one case, but I'm not holding my breath.