Originally Posted by mrkott3r
i have nfi how stiff they are though
ha!!

I have the Proxima, and I really like it. I got the frame-set brand new for $800!! Mainly coz is was 'old stock' at the importer (Bike Sportz were pissing them off), and the shop thought the BB thread was stuffed, but I cleaned it out by hand with an awl and a an old, steel bottom bracket.