fwiw, the windsor has the same horrible quando hubs as the fuji has, so that might account for the guy whose friend stripped the hub.

the thing i dont get is, what's wrong with buying the BD bikes just for the groups and kits? it's not like the parts are used or anything. aside from that, the frames are made in taiwan by 10 year old slaves or whatever, same as the fujis and almost anything lower-end put out by the majority of mainstream bicycle manufacturer. where else is a person without connections going to get an ultegra 6600 group, shim r550 wheels, and ritchey cockpit for $1200? the frame is just, like, a freebie that comes with it. i'm not saying that sort of componentry is the bee's knees or anything, but that does seem like a good price for ppl who want such things.

i'm certainly not shilling for BD. i think the whole thing smells of deceit, and i recomend that anybody who lives near a decent local bike shop should feel duty-bound to support that shop whenever possible. but, it's not like BD is selling absolute garbage that is bound to break on ya. they're selling the same garbage as the local fuji dealer is (or, was last year) but without the service or the benefits to the local economy. i work at a shop on weekends, and i tend to razz guys who come in with a 'motobecane', but the bikes arent really that bad.

-rob