I ordered a pair of shorts from Nashbar that I had read some good reviews on (Louis Garneau Ergotex) and got them on sale so I was feeling pretty good. I get them in the mail and realize the Chamois is different then the pair on LG's website. It appears that Nashbar sells these shorts with a downgraded chamois and sells them at the same price as the "regular" pair and calls them an exclusive. I think that's a pretty crappy.