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Old 01-04-16, 01:41 PM
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TrainingPeaks.com will - at least the Premium version will, I believe.
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Originally Posted by mike868y
are there any programs which will automatically calculate hrTSS and maintain an HR based PMC?
Strava premium does something similar. I use training peaks as well and while the values are different, the trends are consistent. I find Strava more user friendly and it's nice have buttons to turn on/off power or heart rate or both on the "PMC".
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
tired from last week so I backed off on the bike portion of my strength workout

30 minute - warm up

COMPLEX 1 (4 ROUNDS)

Drop Knee Squat - 8
Run Stance Squats - 3
box jumps - 10
single leg deadlift - 8

COMPLEX 2 (4 ROUNDS)

bulgarian split squat - 8
skaters - 30
Box Jumps - 10
single leg bridge - 8

COMPLEX 3 (4 ROUNDS)

pistol squat - 6
side lunge - 6
box jumps - 10
Rubber Band Walk. Forwards, Backwards, side to side. - 2 minutes

30 minutes - Z3

I can't really emphasize how damn hard this is. The strength portion is an hour of non stop activity. I'm just utterly turned inside out when it's over. It's incredibly taxing on the core as well. I'd have not thought that when I put it together.
I assume you do 4 sets of complex 1 in the order of exercises listed and then move to complex 2. Sounds very difficult.

I do some similar exercises. I do a warmup and then active stretching. I follow that up with band waling with the theory that band walking is more of a muscle activation exercise preparing for more difficult effort. Then I do my box jumps in sets with 1 minute rest between sets varying the height of the jump and move to the leg press where I do sets of 10 varying the weight with 1 minute rest between sets, followed by pistol squats and then bridges.

That is followed by upper body work and finish with isometric holds on the Roman chair with the theory that the Roman chair realigns the vertebrae and discs and adds additional work for the glutes and hamstrings. I close with foam rolling and stretching.

The marquee exercises for cycling in my routine are the box jump, leg press and Roman chair. The rest are for general health and my constant battle not to cede any strength to aging.
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Originally Posted by hack
Strava premium does something similar. I use training peaks as well and while the values are different, the trends are consistent. I find Strava more user friendly and it's nice have buttons to turn on/off power or heart rate or both on the "PMC".

does the strava PMC use heart rate though? the strava page implies that it's just for power...


"Fitness & Freshness
For power meter users. Visualize exactly when and where youre at your freshest or most fatigued during your rides. Anticipate those peaks and valleys and stay on top of your performance."
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Strava "suffer score" is HRTSS. If you have a premium account you can run the Fitness/Freshness (PMC) off of HR, power, or both.

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Originally Posted by mike868y
does the strava PMC use heart rate though? the strava page implies that it's just for power...


"Fitness & Freshness
For power meter users. Visualize exactly when and where you’re at your freshest or most fatigued during your rides. Anticipate those peaks and valleys and stay on top of your performance."
Just pulled it up to confirm. You can generate a PMC-ish chart with Power, with HR, or with a combo of Power and Heart Rate (say you go mtn biking and that bike doesn't have power ... effort isn't lost).
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cool, i'll pay for premium and see how i like it.

thanks guys.
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Back to the grind: 2x30'. Adjusted my FTP down 10w as an estimate. I'll do a proper test later this week, but if I feel the same as today, it might have to come down a few more. Blergh.
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Originally Posted by mike868y
cool, i'll pay for premium and see how i like it.
Cycling Analytics can also use HR-based TSS (some additional formula applied to TRIMP) for their training load tracker. I use this for XC ski training. For MTB I just make up a TSS, I feel like I have a pretty good handle on what different types of rides feel like.

Cycling Analytics is a much better tool than Strava for training stuff.
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Originally Posted by globecanvas

Cycling Analytics is a much better tool than Strava for training stuff.
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Originally Posted by mike868y
cool, i'll pay for premium and see how i like it.

thanks guys.
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Originally Posted by globecanvas
Cycling Analytics can also use HR-based TSS (some additional formula applied to TRIMP) for their training load tracker. I use this for XC ski training. For MTB I just make up a TSS, I feel like I have a pretty good handle on what different types of rides feel like.

Cycling Analytics is a much better tool than Strava for training stuff.
I agree with this. If I was choosing between Strava and another, I'd go with the other. I happen to have both Strava and training peaks. I value training peaks' output more than strava's. I paid for Strava a long time ago and some of the features are fun and the user friendliness is better than training peaks (in my opinion), so I keep on with it. I view Strava as a more fun social tool and training peaks as a more accurate training tool. I check my training peaks PMC daily and the Strava one a few times a month. In the end, the trends are the same for me, so Strava can't be too bad for general tracking.
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hmmm, looks like to calculate hrTSS you need a maximum HR value? what's the best way to get this, I honestly think the highest I've ever seen is ~165.
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Originally Posted by mike868y
hmmm, looks like to calculate hrTSS you need a maximum HR value? what's the best way to get this, I honestly think the highest I've ever seen is ~165.

What you actually need is HR zones, which can be automatically set off your max HR. If 165 is the highest you have ever seen, including times when you have completely blown up, then you could start by entering that as a max. Ideally though you would use some protocol to establish your LTHR and set zones from that.
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Originally Posted by mattm
TrainingPeaks.com will - at least the Premium version will, I believe.
doesn't require the premium account to simply get hrTSS from any given workout. i've never looked at a PMC within training peaks (so don't know if that is basic or premium), but if it is available then there should be no reason it will NOT work with only activities containing HR values.
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Originally Posted by globecanvas
What you actually need is HR zones, which can be automatically set off your max HR. If 165 is the highest you have ever seen, including times when you have completely blown up, then you could start by entering that as a max. Ideally though you would use some protocol to establish your LTHR and set zones from that.
k, i figured out how to set zones on CA...now, is there anyway to export data en masse from garmin connect and or strava to CA?
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Originally Posted by mike868y
k, i figured out how to set zones on CA...now, is there anyway to export data en masse from garmin connect and or strava to CA?

Yes, Account/Linked Accounts will let you pull in everything from Strava to CA. The syncing options there are for pushing rides from CA to Strava, but you will also see "import rides" at the bottom (after you set up the linked accounts).

Originally Posted by https://www.cyclinganalytics.com/blog
On the topic on importing and exporting rides, a number of people have asked about automatic importing from Garmin Connect. This isn’t yet supported, and the main issue is that Garmin charges US$5000 to access this. When this doesn’t seem like so much money, I imagine that this will be added to the site.

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Originally Posted by mike868y
k, i figured out how to set zones on CA...now, is there anyway to export data en masse from garmin connect and or strava to CA?
https://strava.zendesk.com/entries/2...eb-application
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f it, i'm just going to use the strava PMC.
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tired. Hard group ride S, and 80mi team ride w 6k vertical yesterday to cap off a 3 week block. it's raining a lot this week so I guess I timed it nicely.
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on another note, I've noticed that my CTL value for a given date drops over time in WKO+. I don't think it's supposed to do that - at least it doesn't make any sense to me. I'm going to record CTL from Su 1/3/2015 over a few weeks and see if something fishy is indeed going on here. I think my true CTL should be higher than what WKO+ says.
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What I do like about Strava's power stuff is how easy it is to read specific times on the power curve..I don't use Training Peaks, but on WKO its kind of a pain and you have to hover over the line just right and hope its where you are trying to look
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It's supposed to rain here all week too. It will be a recovery week with a little cross training, and possibly a spin class.
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Originally Posted by TMonk
on another note, I've noticed that my CTL value for a given date drops over time in WKO+. I don't think it's supposed to do that - at least it doesn't make any sense to me. I'm going to record CTL from Su 1/3/2015 over a few weeks and see if something fishy is indeed going on here. I think my true CTL should be higher than what WKO+ says.
Is it reassessing TSS based on a new FTP power and recalculating CTL off of that? It does sound strange.
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The race last night pushed me over the edge and I have a cough and sore throat today. I guess I'll sleep in tomorrow. It'll be raining all week though, now I'm wishing I had rollers. My wife actually prefers I spend money than ride in the rain. If I want to do up to 400 watts would I need resistance?
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