Go Back  Bike Forums > The Racer's Forum > "The 33"-Road Bike Racing
Reload this Page >

Training Status??? (IV)

Search
Notices
"The 33"-Road Bike Racing We set this forum up for our members to discuss their experiences in either pro or amateur racing, whether they are the big races, or even the small backyard races. Don't forget to update all the members with your own race results.

Training Status??? (IV)

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-04-16, 01:41 PM
  #2901  
**** that
 
mattm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: CALI
Posts: 15,402
Mentioned: 151 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1099 Post(s)
Liked 104 Times in 30 Posts
TrainingPeaks.com will - at least the Premium version will, I believe.
__________________
cat 1.

my race videos
mattm is offline  
Old 01-04-16, 02:18 PM
  #2902  
Senior Member
 
hack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Folsom, CA
Posts: 3,888
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 417 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by mike868y
are there any programs which will automatically calculate hrTSS and maintain an HR based PMC?
Strava premium does something similar. I use training peaks as well and while the values are different, the trends are consistent. I find Strava more user friendly and it's nice have buttons to turn on/off power or heart rate or both on the "PMC".
hack is offline  
Old 01-04-16, 02:18 PM
  #2903  
Version 7.0
 
Hermes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: SoCal
Posts: 13,128

Bikes: Too Many

Mentioned: 297 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1341 Post(s)
Liked 2,483 Times in 1,458 Posts
Originally Posted by gsteinb
tired from last week so I backed off on the bike portion of my strength workout

30 minute - warm up

COMPLEX 1 (4 ROUNDS)

Drop Knee Squat - 8
Run Stance Squats - 3
box jumps - 10
single leg deadlift - 8

COMPLEX 2 (4 ROUNDS)

bulgarian split squat - 8
skaters - 30
Box Jumps - 10
single leg bridge - 8

COMPLEX 3 (4 ROUNDS)

pistol squat - 6
side lunge - 6
box jumps - 10
Rubber Band Walk. Forwards, Backwards, side to side. - 2 minutes

30 minutes - Z3

I can't really emphasize how damn hard this is. The strength portion is an hour of non stop activity. I'm just utterly turned inside out when it's over. It's incredibly taxing on the core as well. I'd have not thought that when I put it together.
I assume you do 4 sets of complex 1 in the order of exercises listed and then move to complex 2. Sounds very difficult.

I do some similar exercises. I do a warmup and then active stretching. I follow that up with band waling with the theory that band walking is more of a muscle activation exercise preparing for more difficult effort. Then I do my box jumps in sets with 1 minute rest between sets varying the height of the jump and move to the leg press where I do sets of 10 varying the weight with 1 minute rest between sets, followed by pistol squats and then bridges.

That is followed by upper body work and finish with isometric holds on the Roman chair with the theory that the Roman chair realigns the vertebrae and discs and adds additional work for the glutes and hamstrings. I close with foam rolling and stretching.

The marquee exercises for cycling in my routine are the box jump, leg press and Roman chair. The rest are for general health and my constant battle not to cede any strength to aging.
Hermes is offline  
Old 01-04-16, 02:22 PM
  #2904  
Senior Member
 
mike868y's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 9,284
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 248 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by hack
Strava premium does something similar. I use training peaks as well and while the values are different, the trends are consistent. I find Strava more user friendly and it's nice have buttons to turn on/off power or heart rate or both on the "PMC".

does the strava PMC use heart rate though? the strava page implies that it's just for power...


"Fitness & Freshness
For power meter users. Visualize exactly when and where you’re at your freshest or most fatigued during your rides. Anticipate those peaks and valleys and stay on top of your performance."
mike868y is offline  
Old 01-04-16, 02:25 PM
  #2905  
Ninny
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: The Gunks
Posts: 5,295
Mentioned: 53 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 686 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Strava "suffer score" is HRTSS. If you have a premium account you can run the Fitness/Freshness (PMC) off of HR, power, or both.

Last edited by globecanvas; 01-04-16 at 02:29 PM.
globecanvas is offline  
Old 01-04-16, 02:25 PM
  #2906  
Senior Member
 
hack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Folsom, CA
Posts: 3,888
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 417 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by mike868y
does the strava PMC use heart rate though? the strava page implies that it's just for power...


"Fitness & Freshness
For power meter users. Visualize exactly when and where you’re at your freshest or most fatigued during your rides. Anticipate those peaks and valleys and stay on top of your performance."
Just pulled it up to confirm. You can generate a PMC-ish chart with Power, with HR, or with a combo of Power and Heart Rate (say you go mtn biking and that bike doesn't have power ... effort isn't lost).
hack is offline  
Old 01-04-16, 02:27 PM
  #2907  
Senior Member
 
mike868y's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 9,284
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 248 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
cool, i'll pay for premium and see how i like it.

thanks guys.
mike868y is offline  
Old 01-04-16, 02:29 PM
  #2908  
Senior Member
 
caloso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Sacramento, California, USA
Posts: 40,865

Bikes: Specialized Tarmac, Canyon Exceed, Specialized Transition, Ellsworth Roots, Ridley Excalibur

Mentioned: 68 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2952 Post(s)
Liked 3,106 Times in 1,417 Posts
Back to the grind: 2x30'. Adjusted my FTP down 10w as an estimate. I'll do a proper test later this week, but if I feel the same as today, it might have to come down a few more. Blergh.
caloso is offline  
Old 01-04-16, 02:29 PM
  #2909  
Ninny
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: The Gunks
Posts: 5,295
Mentioned: 53 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 686 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by mike868y
cool, i'll pay for premium and see how i like it.
Cycling Analytics can also use HR-based TSS (some additional formula applied to TRIMP) for their training load tracker. I use this for XC ski training. For MTB I just make up a TSS, I feel like I have a pretty good handle on what different types of rides feel like.

Cycling Analytics is a much better tool than Strava for training stuff.
globecanvas is offline  
Old 01-04-16, 02:36 PM
  #2910  
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Ygduf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Redwood City, CA
Posts: 10,978

Bikes: aggressive agreement is what I ride.

Mentioned: 109 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 967 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Originally Posted by globecanvas

Cycling Analytics is a much better tool than Strava for training stuff.
yes * 1000
Ygduf is offline  
Old 01-04-16, 02:37 PM
  #2911  
Nonsense
 
TheKillerPenguin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Vagabond
Posts: 13,918

Bikes: Affirmative

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 880 Post(s)
Liked 541 Times in 237 Posts
Originally Posted by mike868y
cool, i'll pay for premium and see how i like it.

thanks guys.
You get a 20% discount with USAC license. I forget the coupon code.
TheKillerPenguin is offline  
Old 01-04-16, 02:38 PM
  #2912  
Senior Member
 
hack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Folsom, CA
Posts: 3,888
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 417 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by globecanvas
Cycling Analytics can also use HR-based TSS (some additional formula applied to TRIMP) for their training load tracker. I use this for XC ski training. For MTB I just make up a TSS, I feel like I have a pretty good handle on what different types of rides feel like.

Cycling Analytics is a much better tool than Strava for training stuff.
I agree with this. If I was choosing between Strava and another, I'd go with the other. I happen to have both Strava and training peaks. I value training peaks' output more than strava's. I paid for Strava a long time ago and some of the features are fun and the user friendliness is better than training peaks (in my opinion), so I keep on with it. I view Strava as a more fun social tool and training peaks as a more accurate training tool. I check my training peaks PMC daily and the Strava one a few times a month. In the end, the trends are the same for me, so Strava can't be too bad for general tracking.
hack is offline  
Old 01-04-16, 02:44 PM
  #2913  
Senior Member
 
mike868y's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 9,284
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 248 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
hmmm, looks like to calculate hrTSS you need a maximum HR value? what's the best way to get this, I honestly think the highest I've ever seen is ~165.
mike868y is offline  
Old 01-04-16, 02:47 PM
  #2914  
Ninny
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: The Gunks
Posts: 5,295
Mentioned: 53 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 686 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by mike868y
hmmm, looks like to calculate hrTSS you need a maximum HR value? what's the best way to get this, I honestly think the highest I've ever seen is ~165.

What you actually need is HR zones, which can be automatically set off your max HR. If 165 is the highest you have ever seen, including times when you have completely blown up, then you could start by entering that as a max. Ideally though you would use some protocol to establish your LTHR and set zones from that.
globecanvas is offline  
Old 01-04-16, 03:34 PM
  #2915  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 4,449
Mentioned: 64 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 693 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by mattm
TrainingPeaks.com will - at least the Premium version will, I believe.
doesn't require the premium account to simply get hrTSS from any given workout. i've never looked at a PMC within training peaks (so don't know if that is basic or premium), but if it is available then there should be no reason it will NOT work with only activities containing HR values.
tetonrider is offline  
Old 01-04-16, 03:42 PM
  #2916  
Senior Member
 
mike868y's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 9,284
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 248 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by globecanvas
What you actually need is HR zones, which can be automatically set off your max HR. If 165 is the highest you have ever seen, including times when you have completely blown up, then you could start by entering that as a max. Ideally though you would use some protocol to establish your LTHR and set zones from that.
k, i figured out how to set zones on CA...now, is there anyway to export data en masse from garmin connect and or strava to CA?
mike868y is offline  
Old 01-04-16, 03:46 PM
  #2917  
Ninny
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: The Gunks
Posts: 5,295
Mentioned: 53 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 686 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by mike868y
k, i figured out how to set zones on CA...now, is there anyway to export data en masse from garmin connect and or strava to CA?

Yes, Account/Linked Accounts will let you pull in everything from Strava to CA. The syncing options there are for pushing rides from CA to Strava, but you will also see "import rides" at the bottom (after you set up the linked accounts).

Originally Posted by https://www.cyclinganalytics.com/blog
On the topic on importing and exporting rides, a number of people have asked about automatic importing from Garmin Connect. This isn’t yet supported, and the main issue is that Garmin charges US$5000 to access this. When this doesn’t seem like so much money, I imagine that this will be added to the site.

Last edited by globecanvas; 01-04-16 at 03:52 PM.
globecanvas is offline  
Old 01-04-16, 03:48 PM
  #2918  
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Ygduf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Redwood City, CA
Posts: 10,978

Bikes: aggressive agreement is what I ride.

Mentioned: 109 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 967 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Originally Posted by mike868y
k, i figured out how to set zones on CA...now, is there anyway to export data en masse from garmin connect and or strava to CA?
https://strava.zendesk.com/entries/2...eb-application
Ygduf is offline  
Old 01-04-16, 04:00 PM
  #2919  
Senior Member
 
mike868y's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 9,284
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 248 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
f it, i'm just going to use the strava PMC.
mike868y is offline  
Old 01-04-16, 04:01 PM
  #2920  
Not actually Tmonk
 
TMonk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 14,144

Bikes: road, track, mtb

Mentioned: 140 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2641 Post(s)
Liked 3,153 Times in 1,660 Posts
tired. Hard group ride S, and 80mi team ride w 6k vertical yesterday to cap off a 3 week block. it's raining a lot this week so I guess I timed it nicely.
__________________
"Your beauty is an aeroplane;
so high, my heart cannot bear the strain." -A.C. Jobim, Triste
TMonk is offline  
Old 01-04-16, 04:02 PM
  #2921  
Not actually Tmonk
 
TMonk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 14,144

Bikes: road, track, mtb

Mentioned: 140 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2641 Post(s)
Liked 3,153 Times in 1,660 Posts
on another note, I've noticed that my CTL value for a given date drops over time in WKO+. I don't think it's supposed to do that - at least it doesn't make any sense to me. I'm going to record CTL from Su 1/3/2015 over a few weeks and see if something fishy is indeed going on here. I think my true CTL should be higher than what WKO+ says.
__________________
"Your beauty is an aeroplane;
so high, my heart cannot bear the strain." -A.C. Jobim, Triste
TMonk is offline  
Old 01-04-16, 04:23 PM
  #2922  
Senior Member
 
Wylde06's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: NW Ohio
Posts: 2,208

Bikes: Cannondale Six13

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 140 Post(s)
Liked 58 Times in 21 Posts
What I do like about Strava's power stuff is how easy it is to read specific times on the power curve..I don't use Training Peaks, but on WKO its kind of a pain and you have to hover over the line just right and hope its where you are trying to look
Wylde06 is offline  
Old 01-04-16, 04:29 PM
  #2923  
Senior Member
 
rideaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 956

Bikes: Giant TCR, Giant Anthem, Felt CX

Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 65 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
It's supposed to rain here all week too. It will be a recovery week with a little cross training, and possibly a spin class.
rideaz is offline  
Old 01-04-16, 04:37 PM
  #2924  
cmh
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 2,910
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 140 Post(s)
Liked 327 Times in 161 Posts
Originally Posted by TMonk
on another note, I've noticed that my CTL value for a given date drops over time in WKO+. I don't think it's supposed to do that - at least it doesn't make any sense to me. I'm going to record CTL from Su 1/3/2015 over a few weeks and see if something fishy is indeed going on here. I think my true CTL should be higher than what WKO+ says.
Is it reassessing TSS based on a new FTP power and recalculating CTL off of that? It does sound strange.
cmh is offline  
Old 01-04-16, 05:26 PM
  #2925  
Senior Member
 
aaronmcd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: SF, CA
Posts: 3,462

Bikes: Cervelo S5, Marin Gestalt X11

Mentioned: 71 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 554 Post(s)
Liked 65 Times in 45 Posts
The race last night pushed me over the edge and I have a cough and sore throat today. I guess I'll sleep in tomorrow. It'll be raining all week though, now I'm wishing I had rollers. My wife actually prefers I spend money than ride in the rain. If I want to do up to 400 watts would I need resistance?
aaronmcd is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.