Training Status??? (IV)
10-05-17, 05:50 PM
#9901
out walking the earth
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I looked into doing an Everest of Cadillac mountain while I'm here. Math had it at 13 hours i.e. The no thanks zone.
10-07-17, 06:32 PM
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Hiked ~9 mi this morning with a loaded pack, in preparation for my High Sierra trip next weekend.
Tomorrow I'll ride MTB for 3 hrs w some (road) racing teammates/buddies.
Good times!
Tomorrow I'll ride MTB for 3 hrs w some (road) racing teammates/buddies.
Good times!
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10-08-17, 08:52 AM
#9903
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raced some cx this morning, 33/46, so I'm getting a little better at this (in my first two races, finished ahead of 4 and 7 people, respectively), prob could have finished a little higher had my shoe not come off near the beginning (running shoes with lock laces, so they come off and on pretty easily), maybe time to take off the training wheels and get myself SPD shoes.
10-08-17, 08:23 PM
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**** that
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Rode with @Ygduf and a few others today, good times. They let me win some hilltop sprints so that was nice.
Did ~40 bonus miles after the ride for just over 100 total. Pizza, earned.
Did ~40 bonus miles after the ride for just over 100 total. Pizza, earned.
10-08-17, 08:34 PM
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Worked with my dad all weekend and didnt ride yesterday..not going to turn down the money right now.
Got out for a ride this evening right before it started getting dark and was definitely feeling the work I did..really tired ride, but the weather was great and I just had to get out for a ride
Got out for a ride this evening right before it started getting dark and was definitely feeling the work I did..really tired ride, but the weather was great and I just had to get out for a ride
10-09-17, 12:52 AM
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I actually rode today, pretending to be a cyclist. 4 hours. Tempo and z2, more tired than I should be toward the end but I gave myself a pass and rode low endurance for a while. Included planet of the apes which is especially nice when there isn't mud all over the climb.
Then I somehow got my wife to come out and visit some friends at buspatch (group living in busses in SF) tonight for dinner.
Then I somehow got my wife to come out and visit some friends at buspatch (group living in busses in SF) tonight for dinner.
10-09-17, 08:21 AM
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Sorta had a come to jesus moment regarding training last week. I go too hard too often and don't let myself recover. Even z2 I go a bit too hard, and it just accumulates and leads to long term fatigue. Always in a hole! It's something my coach has been telling me basically forever, but I am stubborn and insecure about my abilities so I always try to do more than is necessary and wind up tired. We talked it through and put some new protocols in place to make sure I'm more reasonable about recovery. It's definitely the part that I am worst at!
10-09-17, 08:25 AM
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I excel at recovery. It's the other stuff I suck at. 
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10-09-17, 09:49 AM
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Sorta had a come to jesus moment regarding training last week. I go too hard too often and don't let myself recover. Even z2 I go a bit too hard, and it just accumulates and leads to long term fatigue. Always in a hole! It's something my coach has been telling me basically forever, but I am stubborn and insecure about my abilities so I always try to do more than is necessary and wind up tired. We talked it through and put some new protocols in place to make sure I'm more reasonable about recovery. It's definitely the part that I am worst at!
. I've found out that might be a good cure, splitting your bike time with that
10-09-17, 09:57 AM
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Last week Ftp test @230w. I lost about 50 watts during recovery so I'm not disappointed. Saturday usual 3 hr group ride, hard pulls and get dropped, work with another dropped cyclist.
61ctl, 57 atl -4. I'll try hit 70ctl this week for the first time.
61ctl, 57 atl -4. I'll try hit 70ctl this week for the first time.
10-09-17, 10:33 AM
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A long-suffering one! I work from home and for myself so my schedule is supremely flexible which lets me train as much as I want. I respond well to hours, but I need to stop adding 5-10% on top of whatever my coach gives me to do and trust the process.
10-09-17, 10:47 AM
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5 days in a row, then 3 days off. Not intentionally.
10-09-17, 04:01 PM
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Sorta had a come to jesus moment regarding training last week. I go too hard too often and don't let myself recover. Even z2 I go a bit too hard, and it just accumulates and leads to long term fatigue. Always in a hole! It's something my coach has been telling me basically forever, but I am stubborn and insecure about my abilities so I always try to do more than is necessary and wind up tired. We talked it through and put some new protocols in place to make sure I'm more reasonable about recovery. It's definitely the part that I am worst at!
10-09-17, 04:27 PM
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Monday is typically a rest day for me, but I have something to do tomorrow, so I was going to try to push my workout up to today, but that's just not going to happen. I'm way too tired after this past week/weekend, and I think I'd rather just take two rest days.
10-09-17, 04:31 PM
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Yeah, it mostly comes down to trusting the overall process instead of always cranking it up to 11. Like if given a watts range for a z2 ride i generally default to 10w above the top of the range because I'm like "this doesn't feel like it's doing anything so it isn't really a workout". Or a day with intervals, I'll start it in zone and then I'll be like "this is too easy" and ramp it up as I go along. I don't even necessarily pay for it in the following few days, but a while afterward at some point the bottom always drops out and my legs turn to garbage for a bit. So the trade is I do everything in the zones he gives me even if it feels too easy, and we can talk about it afterwards to adjust if it really was too easy. Additionally to balance out my need to go hard we're planning to give me some unstructured crazy days on occasion so I can get my kicks the way I like to.
It's basically just changing mindset to be more macro and less aggro, and take what my coach gives me at face value.
It's basically just changing mindset to be more macro and less aggro, and take what my coach gives me at face value.
10-09-17, 05:13 PM
#9918
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slowly easing back into things. big focus this fall is off the bike (gym/plyo) work while riding just enough to maintain some type of bike fitness.
10-09-17, 05:40 PM
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flu shot season.
all my ignorant ****ing coworkers refuse the shot. makes it even more important that I go get one!
all my ignorant ****ing coworkers refuse the shot. makes it even more important that I go get one!
10-09-17, 08:42 PM
#9920
Cat 2
Got back from Outerbike late last night. What a fun event. 3 days of riding super fun mountain bikes in the desert. I tried out a whole suite of trail and cross country bikes. As one of the mechanics at the event said, "There are no bad bikes anymore." Overall it was about 85 miles over 3 days on about 12 different bikes. My brother coming down here (from WA to UT) definitely felt the altitude, but he is a much, much better bike handler than me, so it usually lead to me climbing the uphills in front and then chasing for dear life to hold on to his wheel on any sort of tech features.
My fastest times on the loops we were doing over and over was actually on a trail bike with 180/160mm of travel. A beast of a bike (The Mondraker Dune, brand new company to the US) but holy **** was it fun to ride. I was dissapointed by the bike i'd been thinking about buying (the yeti sb4.5) and reminded how fun hardtails can be (the Canyon hardtail xc race bike). Plan now is to sell my current mountain bike and move towards something a bit more race oriented after feeling what a bike with significant less suspenion can handle when piloted in the correct direction.
Haven't plugged in the numbers yet but my CTL/ATL should be back on the up and up.
Today was the start of road season 2018. After 3 weeks completely off the road bike I hopped on the trainer for about 70 minutes to do some zwift active recovery. Tomorrow should be a baseline ftp.
My fastest times on the loops we were doing over and over was actually on a trail bike with 180/160mm of travel. A beast of a bike (The Mondraker Dune, brand new company to the US) but holy **** was it fun to ride. I was dissapointed by the bike i'd been thinking about buying (the yeti sb4.5) and reminded how fun hardtails can be (the Canyon hardtail xc race bike). Plan now is to sell my current mountain bike and move towards something a bit more race oriented after feeling what a bike with significant less suspenion can handle when piloted in the correct direction.
Haven't plugged in the numbers yet but my CTL/ATL should be back on the up and up.
Today was the start of road season 2018. After 3 weeks completely off the road bike I hopped on the trainer for about 70 minutes to do some zwift active recovery. Tomorrow should be a baseline ftp.
10-09-17, 10:48 PM
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Interesting, the Yeti line is very enduro and, in the case of the 4.5, multi-day unsupported race in the middle of nowhere oriented. Remind me what bike you currently have that has significantly more suspension than a true XC.
This last week my rides have been very low key while trying to reign in the urge to jump hard multiple times in a row or stupidly hammer stuff. Still always making sure to throw in a sprint for a green light or something fun and short. Otherwise keeping HR down and letting my lungs get in some restorative use. I feel so much better than I did all last year. Feel like I should and normally had. Just trying to ease back into it.
Stripped the Garmin mount off with no regrets. When I get back on the rollers it works better sitting somewhere I can nod at it for cues and otherwise just ride while it beeps any out of range messages. A metric free life is the life for me.
This last week my rides have been very low key while trying to reign in the urge to jump hard multiple times in a row or stupidly hammer stuff. Still always making sure to throw in a sprint for a green light or something fun and short. Otherwise keeping HR down and letting my lungs get in some restorative use. I feel so much better than I did all last year. Feel like I should and normally had. Just trying to ease back into it.
Stripped the Garmin mount off with no regrets. When I get back on the rollers it works better sitting somewhere I can nod at it for cues and otherwise just ride while it beeps any out of range messages. A metric free life is the life for me.
10-10-17, 06:50 AM
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Somehow a few greats in this sport managed. I think you would agree this newer metric based training has hurt a few people who would be better off just training to RPE and listening to their body. You'll note I still plan to use the garmin for targeted workouts in a way that reduces focus on it. No staring at the clock tick up or down to mete out efforts or any of that nonsense.
10-10-17, 07:23 AM
#9924
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I'm riding Lapierre zesty 427 with the rockshox ei suspension. It's not so much the travel (150) as it is the weight. Carrying around the beefy frame on an am geo makes for a heavy ride. It gobbles everything up, but it really doesn't ride fast. The Scott spark and cannondale scalpel I rode at the event had significantly less travel and race oriented geometry and it still took on the same drops and hits my Lapierre does while rolling better.
10-10-17, 08:03 AM
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Be careful about the AM stuff on a race tuned bike. It will handle it but the bouncy bits will lose that competitive edge. For at least a few years now the important part to know has been suspension tuning wins races. Often this means detuning so you have less usable suspension that is perfectly balanced for rebound and actuation. Travel is more of a marketing point. What you want is to get a good idea of the traits of all the race forks/shocks and how they operate inside the differing suspension techniques. Look what the really smart racers are using and any stickers on their bikes that detail who does their tune. I would make sure to factor a good professional tune into your cost analysis and keep a second bike around to train on.
Sorry if I'm lecturing.
Sorry if I'm lecturing.