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Originally Posted by DocRay
If Bruyneel doesn't like it, don't enter the team. What he really doesn't like is that the stages mostly end on the peaks, which is not good for Savoldelli.
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Originally Posted by DocRay
It's good to see that people are starting to realize that the TDF is not the toughest bike race, but just the best marketed Grand Tour.
There are unpaved sections of the Giro, there are stages so high they are up in the snow and ice , many rider use triples, and the fans are even more nuts than at the TDF.
There are unpaved sections of the Giro, there are stages so high they are up in the snow and ice , many rider use triples, and the fans are even more nuts than at the TDF.
What about that pic of Andy Hampsted (sp?) doing the Giro way back when and he is all covered with snow and ice??
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Originally Posted by DocRay
... What he really doesn't like is that the stages mostly end on the peaks, which is not good for Savoldelli. This is not going to be a Giro of tactics and radio control races, it's really just up to each rider.
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Originally Posted by Cromulent
Is it me, or is Bruyneel getting a little whiny? Why not say, "Dang. That's a hard course. But we'll get her done." Other than he's not from a sitcom featuring Southern stereotypes.
It kind of sounds to me like Bruyneel wants the Giro to be some sort of easy warmup before the TDF. What a bunch of crap. I'm getting kind of sick of this whole "nothing matters but the TDF" attitude. The Giro is a great race. Why water it down?
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I think Bruyneel wants the Giro to be something that the non-specialist rider can do well in. The course this year is set up for the pure climber, and nothing else. The same guys who will get ROCKED in the TdF. The TdF is and always has been more of an all-around rider's race, where the TT and the climbs are both huge factors, not just one or the other.
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Originally Posted by DocRay
If Bruyneel doesn't like it, don't enter the team. What he really doesn't like is that the stages mostly end on the peaks, which is not good for Savoldelli. This is not going to be a Giro of tactics and radio control races, it's really just up to each rider.
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This looks like a good place to swap the riders onto cyclocross biles.
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Originally Posted by cydewaze
This looks like a good place to swap the riders onto cyclocross biles.
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I agree that bike racing is supposed to be hard, but there is hard then there is just stupid. Having these guys right up a ski slope at the end of a hard mountain stage is very much crossing over to the stupid. If this were just one day of hard climbing that would be one thing but they have these guys doing day after day it's no wonder they all juice.
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Originally Posted by cydewaze
This looks like a good place to swap the riders onto cyclocross biles.
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When Heras won on Angliru he used a triple, many others used
MTB gearing.
I'm thinking this stage is going to blow the race apart, look for huge time gaps
between the mountain goats and the rest of the peloton.
Andy Hampsten on the Gavia Pass, my favourite all time stage and story, absolutely classic.
If this were the TdF they would end the stage at the chalet just before the unpaved section.
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MTB gearing.
I'm thinking this stage is going to blow the race apart, look for huge time gaps
between the mountain goats and the rest of the peloton.
Andy Hampsten on the Gavia Pass, my favourite all time stage and story, absolutely classic.
If this were the TdF they would end the stage at the chalet just before the unpaved section.
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
You know I was wondering about this...what is the rule here? Can they simply swap bikes...I would think no...unless there was some unforeseen mechanical issue that casued a bike to be unrideable...like kicking in the RD. Simple swap...come to the corner, jump off..lay the bike down and stomp on the RD...get your new bike.
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Originally Posted by RockyMtnMerlin
UCI road race rules are 142 pages long and the technical guide for bicycles is another 10 or so pages. Nothing I see in the rules prevents a bike swap to a bike with different gear ratios (in fact I think I have seen this on other tough road race mountain stages). The type of bike for a road race stage is strictly regulated in those technical guidelines, however. Clearly they could not switch to a mountain bike. I think what will really determine willingness to change bikes is that it takes time. And virtually no pro rider would want to HAVE to stop and change bikes and see the competition riding away from him/her. So it will probably be like PR, they will make equiment choices at the beginning of the race based on known trade offs and conditions.
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
Wouldn't a full rigid MTB be legal (assuming it had front and rear triangles)? Also if it is enough of an advantage I would think that the 15-30 sec it would take to make a planned bike swap (bikes sized properly, setup and ready to go) wouldn't be much of a loss especially if you are going to ensure yourself good traction and better gears for the coming climb in the rocks. I can see a lower geared cyclocross bike being a good choice...a bit wider tire with a bit of tread could go a long way.
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
Wouldn't a full rigid MTB be legal (assuming it had front and rear triangles)? Also if it is enough of an advantage I would think that the 15-30 sec it would take to make a planned bike swap (bikes sized properly, setup and ready to go) wouldn't be much of a loss especially if you are going to ensure yourself good traction and better gears for the coming climb in the rocks. I can see a lower geared cyclocross bike being a good choice...a bit wider tire with a bit of tread could go a long way.
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
You know I was wondering about this...what is the rule here? Can they simply swap bikes...I would think no...unless there was some unforeseen mechanical issue that casued a bike to be unrideable...like kicking in the RD. Simple swap...come to the corner, jump off..lay the bike down and stomp on the RD...get your new bike.
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Originally Posted by DocRay
I think it's easier to just race on triple chainrings, this is common for the Giro.
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Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo
I was thinking more about the condition of the road and the gradient. If the gradient is that severe and the gravel is loose it might make sense to ride a cross tire at that point.
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Originally Posted by DocRay
They might be using paris-roubaix type tires for this stage. I've driven up some of those peaks, first gear in spots. nuts.