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Old 05-28-07, 09:15 AM
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Do you think meaningful drug testing in other sports ...

... would help with doping in cycling? Let me explain:

Let's suppose that other sports (NFL-MLB and NBA come to mind) did meaningful drug testing. When the heros of these sports were then either kicked out of the sport, or they suffered REAL consequences - would it lead to a better understanding of doping in sports; and therefore lead to a real clean-up in professional sports in general? For my dollar, this seems the only way.

Today, the collective sport's fan thinks that pro sports ARE clean - that meaningful testing IS actually being accomplished. They think that CYCLING has the problem as only cyclists are being caught for doping. Change this mindset and perhaps there's a chance????

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Originally Posted by bac
... would help with doping in cycling? Let me explain:

Let's suppose that other sports (NFL-MLB and NBA come to mind) did meaningful drug testing. When the heros of these sports were then either kicked out of the sport, or they suffered REAL consequences - would it lead to a better understanding of doping in sports; and therefore lead to a real clean-up in professional sports in general? For my dollar, this seems the only way.

Today, the collective sport's fan thinks that pro sports ARE clean - that meaningful testing IS actually being accomplished. They think that CYCLING has the problem as only cyclists are being caught for doping. Change this mindset and perhaps there's a chance????

Thoughts?

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Moot argument, this will never happen. Meaningful testing and real penalties would jeopardize revenue so there's no way the owners of teams in these leagues would allow it, no way the television networks or players unions would endorse it. Look at last year, Shaun Merrimen of the SD chargers got suspended for 4 games for 'roiding - IIRC, getting a suspension only occurs after the 2nd failed drug test, so it's reasonable to conclude its a systemic thing with him. In cycling, he'd be out until 2008, in the NFL, he gets votes for defensive player of the year.

It cracks me up when I hear mainstream US sports media and non-cycling fans who are NFL/MLB fans talk about how cycling has a huge drug problem (which it does), yet believe that NFL guys can put on 30 lbs. of muscle in one summer, can weigh 300+ lbs can run 40 yard dashes in <5 seconds, or watch baseball players triple in size and think it's solely because they hit the gym over the winter.
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These other sports have some other major problems to deal with before doping even matters to the fans. Fans of the NBA and NFL accept felons on their teams- doping is a minor thing to ignore when so many more damning allegations ring out. Is taking HGH even on the same level as some of their crimes? When killers, abusers, and fighters (plus others) are called heroes what does doping really matter to that perception? There is more wrong with most sports than just doping.
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Originally Posted by MDcatV
Moot argument, this will never happen. Meaningful testing and real penalties would jeopardize revenue so there's no way the owners of teams in these leagues would allow it, no way the television networks or players unions would endorse it.
Totally agreed. However, do you think Americans would respond (re: care about cheating) if their heros were suddenly exposed? Would it make a difference in sporting?

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Originally Posted by MDcatV
Moot argument, this will never happen. Meaningful testing and real penalties would jeopardize revenue so there's no way the owners of teams in these leagues would allow it, no way the television networks or players unions would endorse it. Look at last year, Shaun Merrimen of the SD chargers got suspended for 4 games for 'roiding - IIRC, getting a suspension only occurs after the 2nd failed drug test, so it's reasonable to conclude its a systemic thing with him. In cycling, he'd be out until 2008, in the NFL, he gets votes for defensive player of the year.

It cracks me up when I hear mainstream US sports media and non-cycling fans who are NFL/MLB fans talk about how cycling has a huge drug problem (which it does), yet believe that NFL guys can put on 30 lbs. of muscle in one summer, can weigh 300+ lbs can run 40 yard dashes in <5 seconds, or watch baseball players triple in size and think it's solely because they hit the gym over the winter.
There are a lot of guys in MLB who have tripled in size but I don't think it's all from 'roids. Some of them have guts that are hanging way over the belt. gross.
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Originally Posted by MDcatV
Moot argument, this will never happen. Meaningful testing and real penalties would jeopardize revenue so there's no way the owners of teams in these leagues would allow it, no way the television networks or players unions would endorse it. Look at last year, Shaun Merrimen of the SD chargers got suspended for 4 games for 'roiding - IIRC, getting a suspension only occurs after the 2nd failed drug test, so it's reasonable to conclude its a systemic thing with him. In cycling, he'd be out until 2008, in the NFL, he gets votes for defensive player of the year.

It cracks me up when I hear mainstream US sports media and non-cycling fans who are NFL/MLB fans talk about how cycling has a huge drug problem (which it does), yet believe that NFL guys can put on 30 lbs. of muscle in one summer, can weigh 300+ lbs can run 40 yard dashes in <5 seconds, or watch baseball players triple in size and think it's solely because they hit the gym over the winter
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I believe in the NFL PEDs carry an immediate 4 game suspension, whereas recreational drugs require 2 failed tests.

Regardless, the other thing that the NFL / MLB / NBA players have going for them that cyclists do not is effective player unions. The drug testing policies are negotiated in the collective bargaining agreements, meaning the unions can have significant control over them. MLB was only able to do drug testing (I almost said reasonable) after the union acquiesed.
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Do you think meaningful drug testing takes place in other sports ??


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Do you think the IOC care ?
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