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06-21-07, 02:58 PM
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there HAS to be some upper limit...
if not. you will need more than 3 bikes.
ridiculously expensive custom road with lightweights
moderately expensive road with handbuilt wheels
time trial slash tri bike with zipp TT wheels
Vanilla XC ride
Ti singlespeed hardtail MTN
full suspension MTN
Vintage bike with DT shifters
custom Japanese K track bike
That should be enough to keep you busy.
if not. you will need more than 3 bikes.
ridiculously expensive custom road with lightweights
moderately expensive road with handbuilt wheels
time trial slash tri bike with zipp TT wheels
Vanilla XC ride
Ti singlespeed hardtail MTN
full suspension MTN
Vintage bike with DT shifters
custom Japanese K track bike
That should be enough to keep you busy.
06-21-07, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BuffRunnin
I am quitting East Coast investment banking to move back to Colorado and ride bikes. The budget is unlimited.
06-21-07, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by botto
and this is based on what?
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06-21-07, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by chzman
there HAS to be some upper limit...
if not. you will need more than 3 bikes.
ridiculously expensive custom road with lightweights
moderately expensive road with handbuilt wheels
time trial slash tri bike with zipp TT wheels
Vanilla XC ride
Ti singlespeed hardtail MTN
full suspension MTN
Vintage bike with DT shifters
custom Japanese K track bike
That should be enough to keep you busy.
if not. you will need more than 3 bikes.
ridiculously expensive custom road with lightweights
moderately expensive road with handbuilt wheels
time trial slash tri bike with zipp TT wheels
Vanilla XC ride
Ti singlespeed hardtail MTN
full suspension MTN
Vintage bike with DT shifters
custom Japanese K track bike
That should be enough to keep you busy.
Aluminum crit bike.
Cheaper aluminum rain bike.
Trials bike.
Motorscooter for your hot girlfriend to motorpace you.
Motorcycle for practicing descending.
But if you truly have an unlimited budget and really want to go fast, not just have some nice bikes:
1. don't work.
2. get powermeters and coaching.
3. ride a lot.
4. pay someone to do all the chores around the house, so you can ride and rest.
If that actually works, the bikes will take care of themselves.
06-21-07, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ericm979
1. don't work.
2. get powermeters and coaching.
3. ride a lot.
4. pay someone to do all the chores around the house, so you can ride and rest..
2. get powermeters and coaching.
3. ride a lot.
4. pay someone to do all the chores around the house, so you can ride and rest..
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Check out Lew Pro VT-1 wheels. Some good info especially page 9 regarding the spoke face swirl generators:
https://www.fairwheelbikes.com/forum/...pic.php?t=2348
https://www.fairwheelbikes.com/forum/...pic.php?t=2348
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with no budget, i think i would build a spaceship instead... bikes are for mortals
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Originally Posted by donrhummy
You need three bikes:
1. Cervelo R3 with Lightweights (wheels)
2. Specialized S-Works (this is your training bike) with Mavic Open pros
3. Wilier Time Trial bike
Plus you'll need either powertap or SRM and you need the Garmin Edge 305.
The Lightweights are $10K, the Cervelo should be about $10K (you'll need all the right components), the Specialized about $9K, the powermeter about $2K, the Wilier about $7K, the Edge about $300, so you only need around $40,000. Have fun!
1. Cervelo R3 with Lightweights (wheels)
2. Specialized S-Works (this is your training bike) with Mavic Open pros
3. Wilier Time Trial bike
Plus you'll need either powertap or SRM and you need the Garmin Edge 305.
The Lightweights are $10K, the Cervelo should be about $10K (you'll need all the right components), the Specialized about $9K, the powermeter about $2K, the Wilier about $7K, the Edge about $300, so you only need around $40,000. Have fun!
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Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo
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06-21-07, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MIN
I agree but LW have the weight advantage. Not intending on a pissing match and this is my just opinion but LW is favorable to Zipps in weight, aero, stiffness, esoteric-sexy-time factor, and general pimpness.
I know they're favorable on weight. I doubt they are on stiffness; there's a limit to what you can do on CF stiffness/weight, and I doubt that LW's design is that far ahead of Zipp's.
Sexy-time factor: No way, a set of bare Zipp's beat a set of Lightweights with or without the decals. Anyone who disagrees with me is an incompetent idiot.
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Are tri-spokes legal? I thought they weren't, but that's not really anything I've had to worry about.
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Originally Posted by ElJamoquio
You picked the wrong guy to f with if you don't want a pissing match, buddy. (Pretty rare I take this stuff seriously, we're just debating bike component attributes.)
I know they're favorable on weight. I doubt they are on stiffness; there's a limit to what you can do on CF stiffness/weight, and I doubt that LW's design is that far ahead of Zipp's.
Sexy-time factor: No way, a set of bare Zipp's beat a set of Lightweights with or without the decals. Anyone who disagrees with me is an incompetent idiot.
I know they're favorable on weight. I doubt they are on stiffness; there's a limit to what you can do on CF stiffness/weight, and I doubt that LW's design is that far ahead of Zipp's.
Sexy-time factor: No way, a set of bare Zipp's beat a set of Lightweights with or without the decals. Anyone who disagrees with me is an incompetent idiot.
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I'm discounting all data I didn't make up in my head.
I looked at that data, but thought it was just aero. Perhaps I'll look again.
Edit: Ah, I didn't read the article, I just looked at the pic you provided.
I looked at that data, but thought it was just aero. Perhaps I'll look again.
Edit: Ah, I didn't read the article, I just looked at the pic you provided.
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I'm not saying that it would change anything, but:
1. That article is from 2002. Zipp's been changing some stuff.
2. The 303's are quicker to accelerate... but...
3. Of course the 53 mm (I'm assuming the std Light's) are more aero than the 44 mm 303's. I'm sure if the 58 mm 404's were in there they would've been more aero.
4. And the article says the 303's are lighter.
Like patentcad's mechanic says: once you get above $1500, no wheels are junk. These companies are all basically treading on the same compromises of aero, stiffness, weight, and cost. The all use the same top notch CF. Etcetera, etcetera.
1. That article is from 2002. Zipp's been changing some stuff.
2. The 303's are quicker to accelerate... but...
3. Of course the 53 mm (I'm assuming the std Light's) are more aero than the 44 mm 303's. I'm sure if the 58 mm 404's were in there they would've been more aero.
4. And the article says the 303's are lighter.
Like patentcad's mechanic says: once you get above $1500, no wheels are junk. These companies are all basically treading on the same compromises of aero, stiffness, weight, and cost. The all use the same top notch CF. Etcetera, etcetera.
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Originally Posted by ElJamoquio
Lightweights may be uglier than Zipps and less aerodynamic*, but at least they're more expensive.
*I have no idea if this is true or not. Ask Waldo.
*I have no idea if this is true or not. Ask Waldo.
Originally Posted by MIN
Relative to the 303 of five years ago, the current 303 rim is 6 mm deeper (approximately 16%), has a revised profile, and is dimpled. I don't currently have access to same-test runs for the current 303 and the Lightweight and am not about to compare data from different tunnels, obtained via different protocols, at different atmospheric conditions, etc. Based on tests we have done with wheels having similar profile and depth to the Lightweight, the 303 will more than give the Lightweights a run for their (aerodynamic) money, and the 404 outperforms it by a fairly wide margin.
In the interests of posting independent data, the following chart from Tour Magazine depicts relative time savings of an 808 (denoted as "Zipp"), the Easton and Ritchey wheels (which are both constructed using the older non-dimpled 404 rim), and the Lightweight.
EDIT: I guess ElJamoquio beat me to it.
EDIT 2: I can't type.
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06-21-07, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MIN
Waldo what is the unit of measurement in the x-axis of your attachment? Can't make it out.
https://www.zipp.com/portals/0/techno...comparison.pdf
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Originally Posted by Ghostman
Cervelos are sweet, but if you are splashing out I-Banker style, you need something a little less mass market. Get the Look.....
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