Ok all you 2x20 zealots
10-29-08, 09:54 PM
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Making a kilometer blurry
I've beaten him once at the 'nighter (which runs until DST ends). I attacked on the first lap with him at the front, proudly wearing my CU jersey. The whole pack lit up, and chased me down. I merged into the top 15 or so, and held on for dear life. Eventually, Lance flatted. I finished. That's about what it takes to beat him.
10-30-08, 04:33 AM
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10-30-08, 06:37 AM
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Making a kilometer blurry
10-30-08, 07:16 AM
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I was wondering about the 2x20 workout slightly under threshold. i figured that put his hour at ~420w. Think he can get back up to around 500w in time for the tour?
10-30-08, 07:23 AM
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that's alot like the MDcatV october training program:
5 x per week 8 - 10 hrs. go to work, break up day by effing around on bf.net
2 x per week 5-5.5 hrs watch football on couch while napping, sometimes flipping channels
7 x per week 3-4 hrs hang out with wife and 2 y.o. daughter
1 x per week watch True Blood on HBO
1 x per week 3-4 hrs veg. out in evening with 2 sets of gorging self on pirates booty
1 x per week ride bike.
5 x per week 8 - 10 hrs. go to work, break up day by effing around on bf.net
2 x per week 5-5.5 hrs watch football on couch while napping, sometimes flipping channels
7 x per week 3-4 hrs hang out with wife and 2 y.o. daughter
1 x per week watch True Blood on HBO
1 x per week 3-4 hrs veg. out in evening with 2 sets of gorging self on pirates booty
1 x per week ride bike.
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10-30-08, 07:33 AM
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10-30-08, 07:56 AM
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And, Tera saying that he barks in his sleep.
10-30-08, 08:32 AM
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^sam = werewolf, that's what I told my wife. I dont know any backstory on this series (I think it's based on a series of books), so dont be a spoiler!
a discussion of 2x20s devolving to lance armstrong devolving further to sookie stackhouse. this is he epitome of a BF thread.
a discussion of 2x20s devolving to lance armstrong devolving further to sookie stackhouse. this is he epitome of a BF thread.
10-30-08, 08:54 AM
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10-30-08, 08:56 AM
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And, these guys aren't "big", either. 77kg last he told me. Still bigger than LA.
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^sam = werewolf, that's what I told my wife. I dont know any backstory on this series (I think it's based on a series of books), so dont be a spoiler!
a discussion of 2x20s devolving to lance armstrong devolving further to sookie stackhouse. this is he epitome of a BF thread.
a discussion of 2x20s devolving to lance armstrong devolving further to sookie stackhouse. this is he epitome of a BF thread.
Lots of "creatures" are in the books. Lets hope they dont go that route...
10-30-08, 08:57 AM
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10-30-08, 09:05 AM
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10-30-08, 09:21 AM
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Assuming he would even post his own training outlines [would you if you were Lance?]...
There's no mention of what his endurance pace wattage is. So let's say his FTP is 400W. 85% of 400W = 340W. Fair enough, I've heard pros love romping around 350W.
Let's see, his total hours look something like:
10/11 + 6/8 = 16 - 19h/wk @ HIS endurance pace [340W]
1 hr of 400W avg [Tues night crit]
3 - 4h/wk of a ride that has 8 X 20s sprints of max effort.
What's the problem?
He's putting at LEAST 16 - 19h/wk of solid SST @ 340W AVERAGE. I'm sure he's not varying his cadence to make sure he's bang on @ 340W. People do 2X20's because we don't have 16-19h available to do sit in @ >= 85% FTP. Not to mention - not many of us are training for grand tours.
There's no mention of what his endurance pace wattage is. So let's say his FTP is 400W. 85% of 400W = 340W. Fair enough, I've heard pros love romping around 350W.
Let's see, his total hours look something like:
10/11 + 6/8 = 16 - 19h/wk @ HIS endurance pace [340W]
1 hr of 400W avg [Tues night crit]
3 - 4h/wk of a ride that has 8 X 20s sprints of max effort.
What's the problem?
He's putting at LEAST 16 - 19h/wk of solid SST @ 340W AVERAGE. I'm sure he's not varying his cadence to make sure he's bang on @ 340W. People do 2X20's because we don't have 16-19h available to do sit in @ >= 85% FTP. Not to mention - not many of us are training for grand tours.
10-30-08, 10:22 AM
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that's alot like the MDcatV october training program:
5 x per week 8 - 10 hrs. go to work, break up day by effing around on bf.net
2 x per week 5-5.5 hrs watch football on couch while napping, sometimes flipping channels
7 x per week 3-4 hrs hang out with wife and 2 y.o. daughter
1 x per week watch True Blood on HBO
1 x per week 3-4 hrs veg. out in evening with 2 sets of gorging self on pirates booty
1 x per week ride bike.
5 x per week 8 - 10 hrs. go to work, break up day by effing around on bf.net
2 x per week 5-5.5 hrs watch football on couch while napping, sometimes flipping channels
7 x per week 3-4 hrs hang out with wife and 2 y.o. daughter
1 x per week watch True Blood on HBO
1 x per week 3-4 hrs veg. out in evening with 2 sets of gorging self on pirates booty
1 x per week ride bike.
Well done!
10-30-08, 11:03 AM
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The magic number was always 6.8w per kg.
When he was ready for that, he knew he'd have it made at the Tour.
AT 72-73kg, he was in the 490's.
Indurain was at 550w, but weighed 80kg at his lightest.
In fact he won the Giro one year at 85kg.
Don't know why it so hard for eople to believe there could be freaks of nature out there.
You probably have some in your backyard, they just never tried racing a bike.
When he was ready for that, he knew he'd have it made at the Tour.
AT 72-73kg, he was in the 490's.
Indurain was at 550w, but weighed 80kg at his lightest.
In fact he won the Giro one year at 85kg.
Don't know why it so hard for eople to believe there could be freaks of nature out there.
You probably have some in your backyard, they just never tried racing a bike.
10-30-08, 11:45 AM
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The magic number was always 6.8w per kg.
When he was ready for that, he knew he'd have it made at the Tour.
AT 72-73kg, he was in the 490's.
Indurain was at 550w, but weighed 80kg at his lightest.
In fact he won the Giro one year at 85kg.
Don't know why it so hard for eople to believe there could be freaks of nature out there.
You probably have some in your backyard, they just never tried racing a bike.
When he was ready for that, he knew he'd have it made at the Tour.
AT 72-73kg, he was in the 490's.
Indurain was at 550w, but weighed 80kg at his lightest.
In fact he won the Giro one year at 85kg.
Don't know why it so hard for eople to believe there could be freaks of nature out there.
You probably have some in your backyard, they just never tried racing a bike.
Not to split hairs but the magic number was 6.7
according to Dr Ferrari. And if thats the case Armstrong is currently around 5.9. I dont see how he will hit 6.7 by next summer IMHO without a little "help".
10-30-08, 12:38 PM
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10-30-08, 12:48 PM
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More likely, he doesn't care whether he's the GC winner. If he is, he is and if not, there's plenty of excuses why not other than the lack of dope.
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The training plan CTS has advertised puts his assumed current threshold in the 420 range, and he'd need to make 480+ @ ~72kg to get the magic 6.7 w/kg.
15% increase in threshold power in 6 months isn't unheard of. Hell, I'm hoping to squeeze 10% out this year. My bet is that by enlisting the best training, recovery, nutrition, and all around general physical care that money can buy - without drugs, he could naturally push a 15% improvement in that time frame.
15% increase in threshold power in 6 months isn't unheard of. Hell, I'm hoping to squeeze 10% out this year. My bet is that by enlisting the best training, recovery, nutrition, and all around general physical care that money can buy - without drugs, he could naturally push a 15% improvement in that time frame.
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The training plan CTS has advertised puts his assumed current threshold in the 420 range, and he'd need to make 480+ @ ~72kg to get the magic 6.7 w/kg.
15% increase in threshold power in 6 months isn't unheard of. Hell, I'm hoping to squeeze 10% out this year. My bet is that by enlisting the best training, recovery, nutrition, and all around general physical care that money can buy - without drugs, he could naturally push a 15% improvement in that time frame.
15% increase in threshold power in 6 months isn't unheard of. Hell, I'm hoping to squeeze 10% out this year. My bet is that by enlisting the best training, recovery, nutrition, and all around general physical care that money can buy - without drugs, he could naturally push a 15% improvement in that time frame.
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10-30-08, 04:24 PM
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like the man said, some folks have decided to believe LA doped, regardless of the lack of evidence in their favor. whatever makes you happy.