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Old 06-23-09, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
Harlem. About as city as it gets. But I have 35 races this year, with 2/3 of them being crits in a variety of course and all but one have finished in a break. Generally speaking if you speak in generalizations you're going to be wrong.
mon frer, you're insane. this i already knew... but really?

i've got 29, but apart from 2 of them, the rest have only been +/-20km away.
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what's so crazy about 6 more?
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
what's so crazy about 6 more?
you travel a hell a lot further than i do for most of them.

on top of that, you've won a few series competitions, where as i'm only 2nd in the one i'm working on.
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Originally Posted by slim_77
winning after being on the front/off the front is more glorious than just winning. It's not machismo, its a degree of class or style.
"More glorious"? Maybe. More worthy or honorable? Nope.
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
Generally speaking if you speak in generalizations you're going to be wrong.
So the course doesn't influence the tactics, or are you just trying to be contrary?

I've raced about 20 times this year, and I remember a break only actually staying away in one of them and that was greatly helped by team tactics (my team had a guy in the break and was controlling the field pace) and a field neutralization. The next closest one was in a downtown city street course.

It should probably also be mentioned that I race at a lower level than you, and at the lower levels, the rider fitness levels that it takes to make a break stick are less common. YMMV.
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g, only to be mildly offensive, how many of those races that finished in breaks were in masters fields?
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Originally Posted by botto
you travel a hell a lot further than i do for most of them.

on top of that, you've won a few series competitions, where as i'm only 2nd in the one i'm working on.
yeah, perhaps but I have two house four hours apart so I'm used to driving.


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So the course doesn't influence the tactics, or are you just trying to be contrary?
I'm going to bow out of this. Racing isn't as one dimensional as the conversation needs it to be.
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Originally Posted by pinky
g, only to be mildly offensive, how many of those races that finished in breaks were in masters fields?
I don't follow how the question is offensive.
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Originally Posted by pinky
g, only to be mildly offensive, how many of those races that finished in breaks were in masters fields?
Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill.
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
I don't follow how the question is offensive.
He was implying that you're a fast old fart who beats up on slow old farts.
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Originally Posted by queerpunk
He was implying that you're a fast old fart who beats up on slow old farts.
The fast old fart around here has stripes on his sleeves and beats up on everyone.

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I don't know what it's like where you guys are, but guys do the three race around here to avoid the harder masters races. The races tend to have ones, former pros, national champs, and things like that.
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
I don't know what it's like where you guys are, but guys do the three race around here to avoid the harder masters races. The races tend to have ones, former pros, national champs, and things like that.
That is spot on for Florida, too. One theory that I have heard is that with so many smaller domestic pro squads failing the local P 1/2 races are getting harder, so some of the older guys do the 35+. Sort of turns the 35+ into P 1/2 lite. Good fun, though!
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
I don't know what it's like where you guys are, but guys do the three race around here to avoid the harder masters races. The races tend to have ones, former pros, national champs, and things like that.
absolutely. as a cat 3 who does 35+ and 123 events with some regularity, I can say that at times the 35+ is an equally hard and occaisionally harder race - but it really depends on who shows up (for the 35+). whereas the 123 is usually the same crowd so one knows what to expect. cat 3 races arent even close.

gsteinb, fwiw, respect, you're a badass racer.
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Originally Posted by The Weak Link
Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill.
Crushing the souls of young men is a cottage industry for the masters crowd in most parts of the country.
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speaking of treachery (rhetorically of course), a friend and teammate has been going out of his way to flick me, and f with me on training rides. last night he almost rode me into a curb.

this is his way to teach some tricks that i apparently did not know.

he's a good teacher, if not a little too enthusiastic.

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Originally Posted by YMCA
Settling for being a career 3 before you even get there?
What would your wife/kids/employer/mama think?


Aim super-duper-extra high and fail. It's the American way.
Point taken. But right now I'm settling up, that's got to mean something.
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