Training Status??? (II)
#4701
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Just got home from the battenkill pre race recon mission. It was disgusting. No doubt about it that this is one hard core race. Steep punchy climbs like you wouldn't believe. There were a few juniors there who were just killing it, absolutely insane (who rides a full carbon Argon18 in the middle of winter in upstate NY?). I know I haven't been doing a lot of intensity stuff so my 5-10' power is definitely not were it will be come race time, but it scares me that these kids are this strong in January. If they continue to peak right into April, I'm not. Definitely can't start waiting to hit the hill repeats hard next month.
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In an open junior race, especially a big one like Battenkill, you're probably going to be racing against plenty of cat 1s. Don't expect an even playing field. Good luck, have fun, and learn a lot.
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Yea it is just going to be rough because so far 4/8 registered riders are from the same local team and from what I saw today they know this course like the back of their hands. It's not even a fitness thing as much as they just know whats up around there. Pre riding it def. helped, but it is going to be a tough race. I'm pumped though.
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Yea it is just going to be rough because so far 4/8 registered riders are from the same local team and from what I saw today they know this course like the back of their hands. It's not even a fitness thing as much as they just know whats up around there. Pre riding it def. helped, but it is going to be a tough race. I'm pumped though.
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I went w/ the juniors because of the smaller field size and honestly because of the cheaper entry fee (strapped on cash, as is everyone). i know there will be some strongggg kids and believe me, I have no images of a grant result, but at least I won't be wizzing through that covered bridge with the other 500 4's who are already registered. Plus, when I decided to do the race, everything was full almost besides juniors and cat1/2
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I rode for less time than normal today. It may be in the 50s tomorrow. Maybe the salt bike and I will go out for a ride
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Holy carp. At the end of a 4-something hour ride I went and did some extra with some guys (a pro and cat 1) did a 13 minute climb where I averaged 317W (4.8 W/kg) and it didn't even feel hard. I mean, it was conversational most of the way... My peak hour had an NP of nearly 280W which is what I was thinking my FTP probably is, and using the dropoff method for the ride there was a distinct drop after the 290-300 bin.
In other news, one of the riders on the ride had one of the new (unreleased) Joule units. It was pretty cool and he said he really liked it.
In other news, one of the riders on the ride had one of the new (unreleased) Joule units. It was pretty cool and he said he really liked it.
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That's what I'd be concerned about. When I first noticed problems with my hip(area) the pain/discomfort was unlike any I had ever felt before, it was "very weird". Ended up being bursitis. It didn't seem that serious until I realized I would have to stay completely off the bike for an indefinite amount of time, which ended up being a little less than 5 MONTHS, the bursa heal very slowly. And I still can't do any intensity.
Not saying your situation is the same, but better to err on the side of caution and get it checked out.
Not saying your situation is the same, but better to err on the side of caution and get it checked out.
Right now everything feels fine, but that could be due to a couple of glasses of wine and Chandler Parsons hitting yet another buzzer beating 3 for a Gator victory. The bad news is that I gave up my game tickets (4th Row - Level 1) because I wouldn't be able to get back from the race in time to shower and make tip-off, so I watched it on TV.
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CX bike for 4 hrs in z2 on a dirt trail. Pretty tired so not sure what tomorrow has in store. I'll see what my legs feel like.
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I went w/ the juniors because of the smaller field size and honestly because of the cheaper entry fee (strapped on cash, as is everyone). i know there will be some strongggg kids and believe me, I have no images of a grant result, but at least I won't be wizzing through that covered bridge with the other 500 4's who are already registered. Plus, when I decided to do the race, everything was full almost besides juniors and cat1/2
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42' 150ap on computrainer, that's all
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My legs have felt terrible. I can't maintain any intensity.
Z2, again
Z2, again
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I'm surprised nobody commented on the part about seeing the Joule head unit on my ride today...
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My legs feel a little reluctant from yesterday. So I'm heading off to do ~60 miles with your friendly neighborhood group ride.
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Hey umd, what did you think of that new Joule head unit?
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2x20@92% this morning. I was going to do another session this afternoon, but I think I need recovery more than another set.
This year it's all about recovery. Recovery. Recovery. Recovery.
I'll be 40 in a couple of weeks. I need to remember that. I'm not 20 anymore. Boy howdy am I not 20.
This year it's all about recovery. Recovery. Recovery. Recovery.
I'll be 40 in a couple of weeks. I need to remember that. I'm not 20 anymore. Boy howdy am I not 20.
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After yesterdays race I need to work on recovering quickly after a hard effort....I got popped with about 12mi to go after the break I as in got caught...I had just done about a 2-3min pull at 375-400w and we hit the base of a climb. The pack got us right then and I couldn't recover quick enough to stay on...ruined an otherwise great race for me....
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40mph winds today, temps a hair below freezing. Good thing I didn't have much riding planned anyway.
Might take today to rebuild bikes and get as much homework done as possible. Maybe hop on the rollers for an hour later.
We'll call it a CNS day, for those of you familiar with Rick Crawford.
Might take today to rebuild bikes and get as much homework done as possible. Maybe hop on the rollers for an hour later.
We'll call it a CNS day, for those of you familiar with Rick Crawford.
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TSB -31.5 after this mornings 10x3 @ SST.
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Base 3, week 2 has been going nicely. 14 hours for the week so far, maybe a few more today.
Team ride was fun yesterday, even though we got rained on and had four flats between the eight of us.
Team ride was fun yesterday, even though we got rained on and had four flats between the eight of us.
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rode for 2 hours yesrterday, and for the first time I thought that I should try to do a 20' interval. I'm mentally opposed to riding hard for over ~2 minutes
I'd had my ftp set to 265 (maybe a somewhat low estimate), so I thought I'd try to peg 270 for the 20'. It turned into "don't let it drop below 270" and looking at the data when I got home, it was 295W for 20' (which included a little downhill pedaling with the brakes on - I ran out of hill)
SO ,what do you guys think?
1) from inspection of a ride file. <--------------this ride?
2) from power distribution profile from multiple rides. <--------------- don't really have enough consistent riding since I got the ptap
3) from blood lactate measurements (better or worse, depending on how it is done). <---- no
4) based on normalized power from a hard ~1 h race. <--- haven't raced w/ it yet
5) using critical power testing and analysis. <----------I COULD do this, I guess
6) from the power that you can routinely generate during long intervals done in training. <----considering I've only done one 20'.....
7) from the average power during a ~1 h TT (the best predictor of performance is performance itself). <---- no ****ing way
.95*295W = 280W, except that I wasn't dying at the end of the interval. My legs were tired, but the last minute was at 341W (after I turned around to get some more uphill).
I'd had my ftp set to 265 (maybe a somewhat low estimate), so I thought I'd try to peg 270 for the 20'. It turned into "don't let it drop below 270" and looking at the data when I got home, it was 295W for 20' (which included a little downhill pedaling with the brakes on - I ran out of hill)
SO ,what do you guys think?
1) from inspection of a ride file. <--------------this ride?
2) from power distribution profile from multiple rides. <--------------- don't really have enough consistent riding since I got the ptap
3) from blood lactate measurements (better or worse, depending on how it is done). <---- no
4) based on normalized power from a hard ~1 h race. <--- haven't raced w/ it yet
5) using critical power testing and analysis. <----------I COULD do this, I guess
6) from the power that you can routinely generate during long intervals done in training. <----considering I've only done one 20'.....
7) from the average power during a ~1 h TT (the best predictor of performance is performance itself). <---- no ****ing way
.95*295W = 280W, except that I wasn't dying at the end of the interval. My legs were tired, but the last minute was at 341W (after I turned around to get some more uphill).
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Today was 3:30 and the last half was me pulling the majority of the way. For whatever reason, I felt really good and just hammered the entire time. I wish I had my Ptap about now.
Its the end of my week, and I ended up with 12:30 of riding, and a LOT of intensity. My CTL right now is 56 based on my estimated TSS for each ride. Next week is leading into TourNB, and I'm hoping to help some people out, if not get a result myself. It seems that my CTL has been ramping steadily at ~5 CTL/week and I'm coming up on 2 stressful weeks at school, so it's good to have something in the bank.
I can definitely tell that adding in a Sat and Sun >2 Hr ride has really improved my endurance. I kinda wish I could find a bit longer rides to go on on Sat and Sun. the 3-4 hr range is nice, but I feel I could make dramatic improvements with 5-6 hr rides, and since I have the time on the weekends, why not? I just have no motivation to go out and solo for 6 hrs.
So, Goals for the next month: After next weekend is a rest week. I'll try for 4-5 hrs. Then I will hit VO2 intervals and 2x20's hard during the week, I'm thinking VO2 on Tues, and 2x20' on Thurs, while keeping the volume up on the weekends. I will aim to have a 2-3 week build phase, and take it from there.
Its the end of my week, and I ended up with 12:30 of riding, and a LOT of intensity. My CTL right now is 56 based on my estimated TSS for each ride. Next week is leading into TourNB, and I'm hoping to help some people out, if not get a result myself. It seems that my CTL has been ramping steadily at ~5 CTL/week and I'm coming up on 2 stressful weeks at school, so it's good to have something in the bank.
I can definitely tell that adding in a Sat and Sun >2 Hr ride has really improved my endurance. I kinda wish I could find a bit longer rides to go on on Sat and Sun. the 3-4 hr range is nice, but I feel I could make dramatic improvements with 5-6 hr rides, and since I have the time on the weekends, why not? I just have no motivation to go out and solo for 6 hrs.
So, Goals for the next month: After next weekend is a rest week. I'll try for 4-5 hrs. Then I will hit VO2 intervals and 2x20's hard during the week, I'm thinking VO2 on Tues, and 2x20' on Thurs, while keeping the volume up on the weekends. I will aim to have a 2-3 week build phase, and take it from there.
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Went on the River Ride yesterday. Brutal crosswind. Brutal pace. The group got shattered into about 5 groups with stragglers all over the place. On the way back I hung onto the front group through the Sweeper only to be slagged off at the frontage road.
165 bpm avg., 191 max, 2254 calories, 2 tired legs.
165 bpm avg., 191 max, 2254 calories, 2 tired legs.