carpediemracing 

This was the staple schedule when I started. I don't know if Eddy B made it popular but someone did.

Mon: 1 hour easy or rest
Tues: 60 second sprints
Wed: long ride (to me that meant like 60-70 miles)
Thu: 5 min efforts (think pursuit)
Fri: 1 hour easy or rest
Sat/Sun: race or 2+ hour hard group ride each day.

jwible

I like it. The short intervals are shorter than I would have though as are the long intervals. I guess working on jump recovery jump means short intervals.

Do I need to use metric time too?

gsteinb

someone should send that to the training camp guys

veloboy971

2 hours ez (mid zone 1) 755 kj's this morning, now organizing papers and other nonsense...

rkwaki

Careful what you wish for...
This is Level 1, it only gets worse from here.

rkwaki

Gary you've been at this a long time, would you agree that often the training camp stuff is too much, too early?

gsteinb

I've never done one actually so to some extent I'm speaking out my ass. Honestly, just reading on FB what I see guys doing I'm not sure I see the value of doing a week that is all outlier stuff. I see crit guys doing 5 hour rides with 8-10k in vertical. For 4x45min races over two days each weekend? Seems like it's working a lot of the wrong stuff to me. If I were a stage race guy doing P,1,2 stuff I could see doing a 32 hour week in the mountains. Maybe a bit less if I were a masters stage race guy. But I see guys who might do a handful of 60 mile road races, a bunch a circuit races and crits doing stuff that doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me.

rkwaki

Well put. When evaluating things (prior to stopping racing) I accepted the fact that I am a crit/tt guy with no false hopes of being a road race guy (unlike years ago).
As I realized that I am a crit/tt guy I trained liked one, yes I did long rides but kept them between 60-70 miles but I can gaurantee you that if you were training with me they sucked.
I also realized that based on these disciplines didn't require me to look like Kate Moss and owing to that made the choice to stay bigger and have huge power. Sure I trained with climbers and made it fun but when it came to training on the flats I would pull them mile after mile into the wind.
I agree that I question a lot of the different training regimens that I see. Had I stuck to my NRC goals I would have raced in that 190+ pound range and ridden 8-10 hours a week plus my weight training.
That being said when I was getting ready to hit the big show I was a frickin' waif (10" arms ) and weighed in the mid 150s at 5'10".

Sometimes I think you (not you Gary) need to evaluate realistic goals and train around them, not around what an emerging Tour rider trains.

carpediemracing 

I'll speak out on camps. With a lot of stuff at home - family, friends, work, house, various projects, etc - it's hard for me to focus on training, forget about doing any massive time on the bike. As it is it's hard for me to get on the bike 8-10 hours a week, for me that's a huge, huge week at home. Doing 1-2 hours other than races is normal, so either 1 or 2 days of an hour, maybe a day of 2 hours.

When I go away it's all about cycling. Suddenly I have only a few things to worry about - food, sleep, bike, riding. I happen to stay at a friend's house where the husband and wife are both cyclists. They understand that I'm going out to ride my brains out and that I'll be somewhat brain dead for the two weeks or so I'm there (7-21+ days). They take me along shopping so I can buy all sorts of food, they support me by giving me run of the house while they're at work. I can get in as much as 30+ hours a week (my record is around there somewhere), and usually get in 20-24 hours a week.

Once I have this massive base I spend the next week or two frantically getting the final stuff ready for the races, so I have an automatic week or so of very little riding, perfect for recovery from the massive beating my legs took from the camp.

Having missed my camp this year, I think it's a huge loss for my own fitness. I'll see, of course, when I start racing in March. I used to regularly beat guys that train 15-17 hours weekly, but without this huge base to get into cycling mode... I don't know. As shovel said, that's why we pin on numbers, to see what we all can do.

Camps, to me, are like cramming for school. It'd be better to be a bit more consistent, so for me doing 10-15 hours weekly, but it's not something I'm willing to do (or, more accurately, force myself to do). I get my major hours in during Jan/Feb and race out the season on limited weekly hours.

gsteinb

I race at 150-155 at 5'6". The muscle isn't going anywhere. I can go uphill pretty good. But I'm never going to climb in a 70 mile RR with a 140 pound 5'9" guy.

TheKillerPenguin

Low key high z1 day. 1:45 of windy bliss.

Yep. Another thing is, the terrain where those camps tend to be held (tucson...) is NOTHING like the northeast. It's all false flats and/or 10mi long extremely steady 5-6% grades. So you wind up hammering yourself into the ground doing insane monster rides and don't develop any punch.

bostongarden

Did 5 x 1 (with 2' rest). I'm a bit more comfortable/coordinated with, and better at, transferring power using higher cadence: 305-315w at 106-108rpm, less the last one at 295 and 98 as I was curious to see how I would feel and operate at a slightly lower cadence. I'd say I am about 5 to 5.5 out of 10 in feeling comfortable with a higher cadence. Still lots more work to do!!!!

caloso

Pruning and trimming intervals. Need a benadryl and some neosporin.

rkwaki

Your yard or yourself?

jsutkeepspining

1 hour recovery ride.

gsteinb

your facebook page must be a hoot

jwible

First rkwaki Tuesday workout complete. Is feeling your pulse in your teeth a good thing? Struggled to make it 250 yards at full tilt. A weakness has been exposed and is getting the attention it needs.

1284 peak watts. faded from there.

https://app.strava.com/activities/4383742

gsteinb

Plus these camp guys are eating massive meals of things like lasagna. I'd go away get slower and gain weight. But I'd be able to ride all day in Z1 and Z2.

jwible

I think you need to factor in camaraderie, relative strength and weaknesses, and general super cuddly together time into the camps. I'm sure half the purpose of the camps is getting to know each other or the new guys or find out where everyone stands at this point.

mattm

Which is mostly why I didn't want the van out there, that few would have finished the whole ride! With bailing out an option, why continue? (besides earning more HTFU points of course)

Instead, everyone finished and can now tell stories of their successful adventure; the bad parts will be washed over and soon you'll forget them.

wens

When I swam we had a week long training trip during winter break. Something like a 30 hour week. I would be shoving as much food as i could eat in my mouth and still come away 5-10 lbs lighter. Only time i've ever eaten 2 pints of Ben & Jerry's back to back...and it happened at least 2 or 3 times every year. Whether a 30 hour training week is the best way to prepare for an event that lasts 120-odd seconds is subject to debate, but it was a hell of a lot of fun, and a great time to get closer to teammates. And super nice to swim outside in december.

RedLeg

Easy ride today with three jumps, things are looking good for my first race this weekend.

TMonk

im looking forward to my commute tomorrow morning.

it should net me 2 hrs of z2/3 on my fg, 42/15.

caloso

WRI's. Ugh. 90 tss in 53'. Sounds about right, I guess.

Creatre

Ouch.