Coffee/Caffeine status.
11-19-13, 08:50 AM
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A lot of well known research oriented nutrition/training gurus claim that adrenal fatigue is bunk.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
11-19-13, 10:38 AM
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seems like something that could theoretically happen, but if blood tests don't show it and you can't really know if it's fixed, it smells of nutritionist selling points.
Just eat well and sleep more and enjoy your morning coffee.
Just eat well and sleep more and enjoy your morning coffee.
11-19-13, 10:43 AM
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enjoying your morning coffee is a lot different than having to basically have an IV caffeine drip at all times, though. i'm surrounded by kids every day who are basically dependent on caffeine/adderall/cocaine to get through the day and that definitely messes up your system. i've gotten pretty dependent on caffeine in the past (avg 5 hours sleep a night for a few weeks + 14-18 hours of riding + a full class schedule + 15-20 hrs/week of lab work) and it's not a fun place. if i get to the point where i'm drinking more than two french presses a day (basically 4 "mugs" worth of coffee) I try to chill. three a day and i'm in the danger zone.
11-19-13, 11:40 AM
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Hey, the only bit of Mandarin I learned in Taiwan was that which enabled me to order coffees at 7-11. Addiction is a powerful motivator.
11-19-13, 12:44 PM
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lol, not "ka- fay" is not much of a stretch for coffee (basically pronounce "cafe" and try to add a Chinese accent).
And re: adrenal fatigue, I guess it seems harder for me to believe that the adrenals CANNOT be fatigued, than to believe that they can be - seems plausible to me. That said, I am sure that it is much less common than often suggested. For example, the author of the Pez article suggests that adrenal fatigue can lead to depression, anxiety and difficulty concentrating. In some individuals that she has consulted with, I am sure that is true. However, on a population basis, the data suggests that moderate caffeine consumption (3 -5 cups a day) has a protective effect in regards to depression.
Part of the problem is that we know that different people respond differently to caffeine, but we are not quite sure why (much like beets...).
For my part, this is my team next season, and I fit in well:
I roast my own beans:
And pull my own shots of espresso:
It is one of my other favorite hobbies, but it makes it difficult to go out for coffee. Espresso in North America, in my experience, is almost always burnt and/or over-extracted. I still drink coffee when I go out, but I know *exactly* how I like it when I make it.
And re: adrenal fatigue, I guess it seems harder for me to believe that the adrenals CANNOT be fatigued, than to believe that they can be - seems plausible to me. That said, I am sure that it is much less common than often suggested. For example, the author of the Pez article suggests that adrenal fatigue can lead to depression, anxiety and difficulty concentrating. In some individuals that she has consulted with, I am sure that is true. However, on a population basis, the data suggests that moderate caffeine consumption (3 -5 cups a day) has a protective effect in regards to depression.
Part of the problem is that we know that different people respond differently to caffeine, but we are not quite sure why (much like beets...).
For my part, this is my team next season, and I fit in well:
I roast my own beans:
And pull my own shots of espresso:
It is one of my other favorite hobbies, but it makes it difficult to go out for coffee. Espresso in North America, in my experience, is almost always burnt and/or over-extracted. I still drink coffee when I go out, but I know *exactly* how I like it when I make it.
11-19-13, 01:16 PM
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da hei kafay !
I am sure they had no idea wtf I was saying, but the Mr. Brown is always near enough the register to point.
I am sure they had no idea wtf I was saying, but the Mr. Brown is always near enough the register to point.
11-19-13, 01:22 PM
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lol, not "ka- fay" is not much of a stretch for coffee (basically pronounce "cafe" and try to add a Chinese accent).
And re: adrenal fatigue, I guess it seems harder for me to believe that the adrenals CANNOT be fatigued, than to believe that they can be - seems plausible to me. That said, I am sure that it is much less common than often suggested. For example, the author of the Pez article suggests that adrenal fatigue can lead to depression, anxiety and difficulty concentrating. In some individuals that she has consulted with, I am sure that is true. However, on a population basis, the data suggests that moderate caffeine consumption (3 -5 cups a day) has a protective effect in regards to depression.
Part of the problem is that we know that different people respond differently to caffeine, but we are not quite sure why (much like beets...).
For my part, this is my team next season, and I fit in well:
I roast my own beans:
And pull my own shots of espresso:
It is one of my other favorite hobbies, but it makes it difficult to go out for coffee. Espresso in North America, in my experience, is almost always burnt and/or over-extracted. I still drink coffee when I go out, but I know *exactly* how I like it when I make it.
And re: adrenal fatigue, I guess it seems harder for me to believe that the adrenals CANNOT be fatigued, than to believe that they can be - seems plausible to me. That said, I am sure that it is much less common than often suggested. For example, the author of the Pez article suggests that adrenal fatigue can lead to depression, anxiety and difficulty concentrating. In some individuals that she has consulted with, I am sure that is true. However, on a population basis, the data suggests that moderate caffeine consumption (3 -5 cups a day) has a protective effect in regards to depression.
Part of the problem is that we know that different people respond differently to caffeine, but we are not quite sure why (much like beets...).
For my part, this is my team next season, and I fit in well:
I roast my own beans:
And pull my own shots of espresso:
It is one of my other favorite hobbies, but it makes it difficult to go out for coffee. Espresso in North America, in my experience, is almost always burnt and/or over-extracted. I still drink coffee when I go out, but I know *exactly* how I like it when I make it.
11-19-13, 03:34 PM
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Back when I started going to Taiwan a lot (about '95) Mr. Brown saved me from the horrid stuff they called coffee - always instant and so weak you could read a newspaper through a cup of it. Then Starbucks came in and a lot of places learned to make coffee.
11-19-13, 04:01 PM
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again with the ignorance for effect. he didn't say starbucks was the best ever, he said starbucks came around and other places tried to at least produce actual coffee.
I erred before, it wasn't Mr. Browns, I think it was City Coffee. Most of it looked to be made from a keurig-type machine where they would pick the size and any cream/sugar pre-mix.
I erred before, it wasn't Mr. Browns, I think it was City Coffee. Most of it looked to be made from a keurig-type machine where they would pick the size and any cream/sugar pre-mix.
11-20-13, 07:53 AM
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Seems germane:
https://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/11/ca...ance-enhancer/
https://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/11/ca...ance-enhancer/
One of the things that you need to be aware of when interpreting study results is that the average tells you nothing about the responses of individuals within the study. In some cases everyone follows the same pattern and is close to the average, but in others the variation between individuals is massive.
And with caffeine there does seem to be a large variation in how people respond. Whilst the average benefit seems to be around 2-5% in most studies, there are some athletes that have shown no improvement or even performed worse when taking caffeine compared to placebo.
No-one knows exactly why the performance response to caffeine is so individual (it’s not related to whether you’re a regular coffee drinker or not, see below), but one reason is probably that the rate at which caffeine enters your bloodstream varies greatly between people, as shown in the graph below.
So whilst one athlete may benefit from taking caffeine one hour before a race, others may need to take it two hours before for it to work. Like almost everything in sports nutrition, it highlights the need to try caffeine in training before you load up on it for an important race.
It’s also important to note that some people experience side-effects from caffeine at the doses that have been shown to improve performance. These include increased heart rate, anxiety and reduced ability to perform precision type tasks, as well as difficulty sleeping after training or competition.
And with caffeine there does seem to be a large variation in how people respond. Whilst the average benefit seems to be around 2-5% in most studies, there are some athletes that have shown no improvement or even performed worse when taking caffeine compared to placebo.
No-one knows exactly why the performance response to caffeine is so individual (it’s not related to whether you’re a regular coffee drinker or not, see below), but one reason is probably that the rate at which caffeine enters your bloodstream varies greatly between people, as shown in the graph below.
So whilst one athlete may benefit from taking caffeine one hour before a race, others may need to take it two hours before for it to work. Like almost everything in sports nutrition, it highlights the need to try caffeine in training before you load up on it for an important race.
It’s also important to note that some people experience side-effects from caffeine at the doses that have been shown to improve performance. These include increased heart rate, anxiety and reduced ability to perform precision type tasks, as well as difficulty sleeping after training or competition.
12-13-13, 04:42 PM
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08-21-15, 06:53 PM
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Good entry level machine - Rancilio Silva.
Gaggia's are decent too - https://www.wholelattelove.com/Gaggia/classic.cfm
Gaggia's are decent too - https://www.wholelattelove.com/Gaggia/classic.cfm
I have a $200 Saeco (bought before i heard about their cycling sponsorship) and a $150 Baratzza Grinder. Has worked well for the past three years.
Next order of business is to buy a whole bunch of decaf beans and a lot of 2% milk and learn to steam properly and make latte art.
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09-21-15, 10:09 AM
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And pull my own shots of espresso:
It is one of my other favorite hobbies, but it makes it difficult to go out for coffee. Espresso in North America, in my experience, is almost always burnt and/or over-extracted. I still drink coffee when I go out, but I know *exactly* how I like it when I make it.
And pull my own shots of espresso:
It is one of my other favorite hobbies, but it makes it difficult to go out for coffee. Espresso in North America, in my experience, is almost always burnt and/or over-extracted. I still drink coffee when I go out, but I know *exactly* how I like it when I make it.
To the topic - for junior we do use caffeine as a ergogenic drug - ONLY for events (he may have a Coke every few weeks). It appears it is more effective when used for events only. 50-100mg in a latte seems quite effective with the fat, sugar and caffeine taken 45min before a crit, or right before a RR. During the race a gel with 25mg / hour. I have enough power/performance data on him to have seen a difference between with / without. It may just make him less timid / passive - but we noticed it. I also think that not using it casually makes it much more effective, but I wouldn't know as he has never been a regular user.
09-21-15, 12:42 PM
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i-ROAST
The last few times I have bought beans it has been:
Nicaragua PRODECOOP Green Coffee Beans from Nicaragua PRODECOOP - $4.75 : Gen-X Coffee, Taste The Bean Not The Brand
But Sweet Marias is a good place to start looking, they are also quite a good resource on home roasting
https://www.sweetmarias.com/category/green-coffee
09-23-15, 08:28 PM
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I just love a good cappuccino, or espresso.
But, I think caffeine gives me a cardiac arrhythmia. And, so I decided I have a choice of rat poison or no caffeine.
Well, to me, the choice was pretty obvious. I'll take an occasional decaf, but that is rare (and decaf does have quite a bit of caffeine).
I do still like hot chocolate (which may have just a little caffeine, as well as theobromine, but certainly isn't as strong as the coffee).
Oh, and no coffee headaches either.
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But, I think caffeine gives me a cardiac arrhythmia. And, so I decided I have a choice of rat poison or no caffeine.
Well, to me, the choice was pretty obvious. I'll take an occasional decaf, but that is rare (and decaf does have quite a bit of caffeine).
I do still like hot chocolate (which may have just a little caffeine, as well as theobromine, but certainly isn't as strong as the coffee).
Oh, and no coffee headaches either.
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09-24-15, 05:48 AM
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I gave up caffeine for about 2 years because of a cardiac issue. The cardiac issue did not improve, so I went back on coffee about a year ago.
It was very hard to quit coffee; I was only a 1-2 cup a day coffee drinker, but it took at least 2-3 weeks before I didn't just feel stupid and ugly all the time. Once I was through the withdrawal, I discovered a lot of positive aspects to not being addicted. My overall mood was more even throughout the day and day-to-day. Everything just felt much more level and calm. Overall in terms of quality of life, it was clearly a net positive, for me, to be off caffeine.
But, once I realized there was no cardiac benefit, for me, I started drinking coffee again. There really isn't anything like that feeling of well-being and on-top-of-it-ness you get from a cup of coffee at the right time. But I think that looking at all 24 hours of the day, you end up more than paying for that feeling, it's really a classic credit/debit system where the house always takes a percentage.
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I forgot what "regular" means at dunkin donut, don't go often. So when the coffee lady asked me if I wanted regular, I tiredly assumed regular was neutral sounding and I could fix it how I wanted. Woops. i don't know how much cream and sugar they use to transform perfectly fine coffee into this weird substance, but regular is in fact not neutral at all. Regular in dunkin's land is very not regular in my world, or probably anywhere else. For better or for worse, dunkin's world is largely meshed with the mainstream "real" "what's readily available in the northeast" world. So I'm sitting in the couch on dunkin's today.
09-26-15, 06:10 AM
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I forgot what "regular" means at dunkin donut, don't go often. So when the coffee lady asked me if I wanted regular, I tiredly assumed regular was neutral sounding and I could fix it how I wanted. Woops. i don't know how much cream and sugar they use to transform perfectly fine coffee into this weird substance, but regular is in fact not neutral at all. Regular in dunkin's land is very not regular in my world, or probably anywhere else. For better or for worse, dunkin's world is largely meshed with the mainstream "real" "what's readily available in the northeast" world. So I'm sitting in the couch on dunkin's today.