Originally Posted by gsteinb
(Post 16026683)
spoilers are allowed in this thread.
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Originally Posted by Creakyknees
(Post 16026761)
And you are correct, I've ridden with pros who still can't corner worth a damn... |
pre race I am always worried about my cornering (descending mostly in RRs)
During the race I am always surprised at how bad most other people are at descending. |
Originally Posted by rkwaki
(Post 16026923)
Hahahahahaha that made me laugh though it is very true...
And you are correct, I've ridden with pros who still can't corner worth a damn... |
Originally Posted by Creakyknees
(Post 16026761)
so... maybe I ranted a bit?
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Originally Posted by grolby
(Post 16026566)
Surely the time limit on spoilers as expired? Well anyway - I straight up don't like the rider in question. I think he's a disingenuous, self-aggrandizing jerk. I say all that because I don't think him leading the Vuelta is unbelievable. Questions are fair, of course, but this is a guy who seemed overshadowed for a lot of his career because the peloton was doped (or more doped), not because he didn't have the talent. He definitely had a bit of a face-heel turn around '09 where all of a sudden he "never saw anything" and was a big defender of You-Know-Who, but that's not enough for me to say he must be doping. I don't like the guy, though, and I hope he loses the Vuelta.
The defense of 'Big Tex' was really weird. He could have at least said something like, "It doesn't look good, does it?" or something reasonable. Instead he was in full Kool-Aid mode until Oprah-time. Who did he think he was kidding? I bet even Lance was like, "wut?" One quote from Chris that spoke volumes to me was simple. He was asked, "Why have you not been implicated in doping like all the other Americans riding at the time?" His response was, "I guess because I wasn't those guys teammate." It wasn't, "Because I rode clean." or anything of that nature. He basically said, "Because I didn't get caught." |
Originally Posted by Ygduf
(Post 16026962)
pre race I am always worried about my cornering (descending mostly in RRs)
During the race I am always surprised at how bad most other people are at descending. |
Originally Posted by gsteinb
(Post 16026683)
spoilers are allowed in this thread.
Especially on high protein days... |
Originally Posted by grolby
(Post 16026566)
Surely the time limit on spoilers as expired? Well anyway - I straight up don't like the rider in question. I think he's a disingenuous, self-aggrandizing jerk. I say all that because I don't think him leading the Vuelta is unbelievable. Questions are fair, of course, but this is a guy who seemed overshadowed for a lot of his career because the peloton was doped (or more doped), not because he didn't have the talent. He definitely had a bit of a face-heel turn around '09 where all of a sudden he "never saw anything" and was a big defender of You-Know-Who, but that's not enough for me to say he must be doping. I don't like the guy, though, and I hope he loses the Vuelta.
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you're doped or not.
it's like being a little pregnant. There's nothing to indicate Horner was ever clean. In fact, he was probably kind of a prick spending quite a long time being doped beating up on the domestic scene when he couldn't make it in Europe originally. |
Originally Posted by Ygduf
(Post 16026962)
pre race I am always worried about my cornering (descending mostly in RRs)
During the race I am always surprised at how bad most other people are at descending.
Originally Posted by Fat Boy
(Post 16027112)
OK, I'll say his name...Horner. When it comes down to it, I guess I kind of like the guy. Not that I have any great heroes in cycling. I'll reserve hero status for people who genuinely change the world for the better. I think Chris is a smart guy that that has a lot of racing savvy and who would, in the boxing world, be a master of 'ring generalship'. He really does race well. That was kind of my point about the other day. I think he read the race correctly and his time gain was as much about his tactics as it was about his legs. That's cool to see even if you don't care for the guy on a personal level. In a similar vein, I like to watch Floyd Mayweather box. It doesn't mean he's any less of a tool as a human being.
The defense of 'Big Tex' was really weird. He could have at least said something like, "It doesn't look good, does it?" or something reasonable. Instead he was in full Kool-Aid mode until Oprah-time. Who did he think he was kidding? I bet even Lance was like, "wut?" One quote from Chris that spoke volumes to me was simple. He was asked, "Why have you not been implicated in doping like all the other Americans riding at the time?" His response was, "I guess because I wasn't those guys teammate." It wasn't, "Because I rode clean." or anything of that nature. He basically said, "Because I didn't get caught."
Originally Posted by thechemist
(Post 16027330)
So, I have only been watching tours for a few years but he always seemed genuine. It was nice riding with him at harpeth last year? Would love to hear what you don't like about him as I probably missed most of his career
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
(Post 16027385)
you're doped or not.
it's like being a little pregnant. There's nothing to indicate Horner was ever clean. In fact, he was probably kind of a prick spending quite a long time being doped beating up on the domestic scene when he couldn't make it in Europe originally. granted, he may very well be clean atm, but his past is a lot more clouded than what most think of him. While we are at it, same thing goes for his teammate Jens, who also gets way more plaudit than he deserves. |
Originally Posted by echappist
(Post 16027660)
... Jens, who also gets way more plaudit than he deserves.
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Originally Posted by echappist
(Post 16027660)
Horner is widely believed to be Anonymous Rider 15 in the reasoned decision.
granted, he may very well be clean atm, but his past is a lot more clouded than what most think of him. While we are at it, same thing goes for his teammate Jens, who also gets way more plaudit than he deserves. |
concussion? rub this cream on your skull.
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Originally Posted by echappist
(Post 16027660)
same thing goes for his teammate Jens, who also gets way more plaudit than he deserves.
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Originally Posted by Creakyknees
(Post 16026761)
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Originally Posted by echappist
(Post 16027660)
Jens, who also gets way more plaudit than he deserves.
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Originally Posted by Fat Boy
(Post 16027112)
. In a similar vein, I like to watch Floyd Mayweather box. It doesn't mean he's any less of a tool as a human being.
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My brother's wedding pics are in. It's rare that I see pictures of myself that I like, but I guess I should go to more Hawaii weddings.
http://i.imgur.com/Pv5Dejd.jpg |
Originally Posted by big john
(Post 16028558)
Mayweather has skill, speed, and ring smarts but I really hope Alvarez hits him in the face, hard.
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Tour of Alberta prologue was a fun evening out. Doubt I will have much of a voice in the morning...
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Originally Posted by topflightpro
(Post 16026308)
I wish. No, it is a road ride.
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Originally Posted by Homebrew01
(Post 16029163)
Bring your mtb, pump the tires to 40 psi. At least you'll get a bit more of a workout.
At one stop, I asked, how much longer is this ride - we'd already been gone for almost 90 minutes - and was told we were at the halfway point. I texted my wife to tell her to get her own dinner, I wasn't going to be home any time soon. For most of the ride, I kind of just sat in the middle with folks on a variety of bikes - including some that sounded like they needed to be tightened up in a lot of places, but by the end, I was at the front with the guys on road bikes just trying to get back as fast as possible. |
As for Horner, I just assume they all are doping.
And with regards to descending, several years ago, I did a race to the top of a mountain in Texas - Ex knows this race well having won it I believe. At the top, a friend of mine who had been riding for many years more than me, told me to be careful on the descent - going down a 17 percent wall with a sharp left turn at the bottom can be tricky. I then proceed to follow him down and watched him miss the left hand turn and crash straight into the side of the mountain. Even though I wasn't flying down the hill, I couldn't stop to check on him. I was going too fast and there were too many people behind me to try to stop quickly. |
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