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01-05-15, 12:17 AM
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Rode to the race, raced (flatted!), rode back.
996 TSS for the week, 17 hours. More hours/tss than I had "planned", but better than not enough.
CTL is 97, TSB -20.. -20 at this level of Ctl hurts way more than -20 at 50, go figure.
After a week of intervals (because Build), the legs are toasted! As it should be.
996 TSS for the week, 17 hours. More hours/tss than I had "planned", but better than not enough.
CTL is 97, TSB -20.. -20 at this level of Ctl hurts way more than -20 at 50, go figure.
After a week of intervals (because Build), the legs are toasted! As it should be.
-20 kills me
01-05-15, 12:41 AM
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It's climbing now, but only climbing closer to where it was before the rest week last week.
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PS can be a bit of a hassle to program workouts, but you can repeat blocks of intervals, which makes it easier than having to manually enter each interval
01-05-15, 07:58 AM
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01-05-15, 07:59 AM
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do folks actually use these features? i'm curious. when i last tried to use something like this (maybe 5, 6 years ago) the tools were poor/inefficient.
i tend to remember my workouts, or if they're complex i'll jot a quick note and tape it to my stem. the latter is rare.
i tend to remember my workouts, or if they're complex i'll jot a quick note and tape it to my stem. the latter is rare.
I use it for a few workouts. Easy enough to configure a workout in Garmin Connect...and the beeps when you are outside of the zone/wattage range is nice to have
01-05-15, 09:43 AM
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I'm going to have to try this out.
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01-05-15, 11:42 AM
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ha, in the last 3 blocks I've been -30+ 9 times, and -40 2x. The "freshest" i've been since the current block started is -10. These are the advantages of being where you need to be already versus building up to it for the first time.
01-05-15, 12:00 PM
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I'm sitting at -40 right now and my legs are toast. I've had 4 consecutive weeks of training after close to 8 weeks of very inconsistent riding.
01-05-15, 12:05 PM
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Yeah, I shoulda tested in my last rest week but never got around to it. **** it.
996 is a lot, and my legs can vouch for it!
Alls I know is that it makes sense relative to what I was doing the last few weeks, and also given this last week was "only" 17 hours, 996 is a lot compared to the same TSS on 21 hours. Welcome to Build.
996 is a lot, and my legs can vouch for it!
Alls I know is that it makes sense relative to what I was doing the last few weeks, and also given this last week was "only" 17 hours, 996 is a lot compared to the same TSS on 21 hours. Welcome to Build.
01-05-15, 12:38 PM
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68 CTL ... and the trainer has not left the closet since last March. I'll take that over 90 CTL on the trainer any day, just from a mental health perspective.
I wonder if I can make it through this whole winter in reasonable shape without ever using the trainer.
I wonder if I can make it through this whole winter in reasonable shape without ever using the trainer.
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I have to be careful getting below -20. I start getting pissy with my wife and kids.
01-05-15, 08:04 PM
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20' on the rollers.
Somehow the resulting 7 TSS sent my TSB down, at -21 now. Legs feel better tho!
Somehow the resulting 7 TSS sent my TSB down, at -21 now. Legs feel better tho!
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01-05-15, 11:24 PM
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down from yesterday I mean, but yeah it's just how the numbers work out.
01-06-15, 12:08 AM
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I feel like WKO+ isn't correctly calculating my CTL (and resulting TSB). Things are a little weird because I started training after a couple months off (due to injury) in October, and recently took an unplanned week off as well (12/21-12/27). My current CTL is around ~50 according to WKO+. Does this seem right?
Here is my TSS from the recent months:
Oct 2014: 2136, or roughly 71 TSS/day
Nov 2014: 2700, bout 90
Dec 2014: 1832, bout 61. This one was low due to an unplanned week off.
Given those figures, and the extended low TSS period prior to Oct, does it make sense that my CTL would only be ~50 today? My TSB is at -30 or so today, but I feel fresh as a daisy and stoked for my 2x20 workout tomorrow. Last four days were 133 and 245 TSS over Friday and Saturday, with Sun and today off.
This isn't making a whole lot of sense to me, but my body is telling me that it's ready for battle regardless.
Here is my TSS from the recent months:
Oct 2014: 2136, or roughly 71 TSS/day
Nov 2014: 2700, bout 90
Dec 2014: 1832, bout 61. This one was low due to an unplanned week off.
Given those figures, and the extended low TSS period prior to Oct, does it make sense that my CTL would only be ~50 today? My TSB is at -30 or so today, but I feel fresh as a daisy and stoked for my 2x20 workout tomorrow. Last four days were 133 and 245 TSS over Friday and Saturday, with Sun and today off.
This isn't making a whole lot of sense to me, but my body is telling me that it's ready for battle regardless.
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01-06-15, 12:37 AM
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I forget the exact math, but CTL/ATL is a weighted average and not just a straight average; so we can assume the numbers are correct. Whether or not they reflect the way you really feel is another story.
As for feeling good with -30 TSB, I think it's b/c -30 TSB is different depending on the CTL. -30 TSB at a low CTL isn't a big deal, but at a high CTL it can be. (not an absolute CTL, but a "high" CTL for you)
And also I try to look at the trends; having a low TSB for a few days isn't a big deal. It's when you try to do that for a month or longer that you're in the "danger zone" of over-training.
And with two days off I don't see why you wouldn't be ready for battle.
As for feeling good with -30 TSB, I think it's b/c -30 TSB is different depending on the CTL. -30 TSB at a low CTL isn't a big deal, but at a high CTL it can be. (not an absolute CTL, but a "high" CTL for you)
And also I try to look at the trends; having a low TSB for a few days isn't a big deal. It's when you try to do that for a month or longer that you're in the "danger zone" of over-training.
And with two days off I don't see why you wouldn't be ready for battle.
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Good points. Thx for ur perspective.
EDIT: Also I think I go too easy on my rest weeks. Do you guys typically aim for like 50% TSS from the previous week? The last rest week I took was like ~250 TSS, really low. I remember thinking as I got into the next week that I had taken it too easy - easy enough such that I felt like I was out of the "swing of things".
EDIT: Also I think I go too easy on my rest weeks. Do you guys typically aim for like 50% TSS from the previous week? The last rest week I took was like ~250 TSS, really low. I remember thinking as I got into the next week that I had taken it too easy - easy enough such that I felt like I was out of the "swing of things".
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01-06-15, 01:01 AM
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In general the way I see it there's no such thing as a "too easy" rest week, only "too hard".
Too easy can be less than ideal, but at least it won't set you back more than a day or so. My $0.02.
If you ask @Ygduf, he'd say "rest week, what's that?" and it seems to work for him..
Too easy can be less than ideal, but at least it won't set you back more than a day or so. My $0.02.
If you ask @Ygduf, he'd say "rest week, what's that?" and it seems to work for him..
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Here is my TSS from the recent months:
Oct 2014: 2136, or roughly 71 TSS/day
Nov 2014: 2700, bout 90
Dec 2014: 1832, bout 61. This one was low due to an unplanned week off.
Given those figures, and the extended low TSS period prior to Oct, does it make sense that my CTL would only be ~50 today?
Oct 2014: 2136, or roughly 71 TSS/day
Nov 2014: 2700, bout 90
Dec 2014: 1832, bout 61. This one was low due to an unplanned week off.
Given those figures, and the extended low TSS period prior to Oct, does it make sense that my CTL would only be ~50 today?
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It also depends where you are in your plan and season. During the season rest weeks I do less of the same and more recovery. I am doing mainly strength work now so rest weeks are different.
01-06-15, 08:21 AM
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In general the way I see it there's no such thing as a "too easy" rest week, only "too hard".
Too easy can be less than ideal, but at least it won't set you back more than a day or so. My $0.02.
If you ask @Ygduf, he'd say "rest week, what's that?" and it seems to work for him..
Too easy can be less than ideal, but at least it won't set you back more than a day or so. My $0.02.
If you ask @Ygduf, he'd say "rest week, what's that?" and it seems to work for him..