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TMonk

Short on time and energy this morning, so I opted for 2x15' instead of 2x20'. Third "On" week, kind tired, slept in a little too much. That extra 10min helped get me to work on time.

Anyway, they went pretty well, 99 and 101%. I felt pretty good near the end of the second, not dead at all. Now I'm tired and low energy though; I'm thinking that the combination of my energy level and my performance on the bike means that I will test higher after I rest up next week.

furiousferret

I'm scared to get on the bike.

Not out of fear, but concern if I'm fully healed. This injury started 6 weeks ago, and I've done everything wrong to treat it; raced a hilly road race a few days after I hurt it, came back too early, and haven't been icing. The stretching and weights have helped a ton though. The inflammation is completely gone, so either this week or next I'm going to have to take the leap. Its going to be hard to be patient, with races in full swing and the heart of our season. I am getting antsy though, and even my wife wants me to get on the bike because she thinks I look pathetic just moping around all weekend.

carpediemracing 

Zwift for the first time. Had to figure out where the sprint line was, and how it timed/etc. First time I did "jumps" on the trainer in forever. They seemed okay, 920-1020w for 5s. Peaks were about the same because I couldn't jump really hard else the tire slipped and Zwift would sort of lock the power at some number like 400w until I slowed down.

Power was down a lot, like Zwift said 70w and my SRM said 100w. Or Z=150w and SRM=200w. Peak power was close though, I guess that's that exponential thing, they all sort of converge.

shovelhd

Just dial everything back, especially your expectations. If you normally race both weekend days, pick one. If you normally race more than one race per day, pick one. If you normally ride aggressively from the ***, sit in for the first half and do nothing. Stuff like that. You are not going to just jump back in like nothing ever happened. You may be fully healed but you may not be in race condition, so don't pretend you are. It's tough to do, I know, but if you lower the bar now and meet realistic expectations, it makes it that much easier to raise it next weekend.

Wylde06

I noticed, for me, that zwift was being very generous. The one ride where I didn't pair my power meter and went off the wheel sensor it told me I was doing 250-300 watts when I was really only doing 150-200. I ended up pairing my power meter with it because it was so far off.

carpediemracing 

Earlier this winter someone asked how much power it took to go 90 rpm in a 53x17 or so on a Fluid2. I was thinking "a lot" and it ended up in the 300w range. A few people piped up that it's more like 220 or something. I looked into it (there are some power charts for the Fluid2) and it seems that my unit has higher resistance. Either that or my SRM reads low and that's highly unlikely, I hope, because I was working hard at 150w yesterday (aka 200w on the SRM)!

Now I want an Ant+ powermeter to do real power to Zwift (I'm eyeing the 4iiii Precision myself) and a direct drive trainer (Lemond, Kickr, etc) to eliminate tire slippage. A rocking trainer would work (I started making one a couple years ago, got an extra CycleOps frame welded up, I need to do some alignment and some other stuff, but now I'm motivated to do it), so I can sprint better. Heh.

I also started thinking of tactics for improving my 200m time in the sprint (big leadout, use a power boost, use the draft boost, etc). I was off the green jersey by 0.5 seconds I think and I was really suffering.

I realized yesterday was the first time I logged into what amounts to a video game / alternate reality in maybe 8-9 years. Even got a screenshot of me with the squirrel.

Wylde06

Im also using a fluid 2, but I think mine has less resistance when you look at the power curve (which would explain why zwift power is higher)..maybe I will see what the 53-17 @90rpm is for mine.

globecanvas

Just keep in mind that on Zwift, like Strava, there's no real way to control (or any reason to control) either bad data inputs or people intentionally cheating. It's a bunch of anonymous people on the internet and some percentage of them will be doing stuff that's completely not possible in the real world. If some guy is doing laps at 10 w/kg and winning 200m sprints with 4 second times, that's just how it is. I know that stuff really bugs some people but forget it, Jake, it's Chinatown.

mike868y

had no lack of motivation this morning. love days like that.

furiousferret

You mean the internet isn't a grand utopia where everyone is treated with dignity, empathy, and integrity is held to the highest regard? This...can't....be. If it were the UCI, NFL, or any other pro sport but not zwift.

caloso

Going on vacation next week so I'm in the office at 7am. Is there anything worse than the week before taking a week off?

Wylde06

The week after taking a week off

gsteinb

day off. haven't taken a full day off since the beginning of february.

TheKillerPenguin

Training Status: 3 races this weekend, eating all the things.

Cleaning bike which is basically yoga. Openers later.

bmcphx

TKP the boss

carpediemracing 

I was going to add something about "it's just a game anyway". It's more about at least having an accurate representation of what I'm doing. I'd like to be able to do a real sprint on Zwift, real power number, rocking bike, etc. That would be cool. I think I could get into the 8s range, based on what I saw. I was in the 9s range. I took a screenshot after I think the last two efforts but I don't know where they sit on the phone or whatever.

Part of it is that I've never seen 1200w on a trainer of any kind and I know I can go pretty far beyond that. I just want to hit a good number on a trainer. I'll have to borrow a Kickr or whatever that direct drive thing is that my teammates seem to have.

The hill - the KOM was about a minute, give or take. Took me about 5 min. So, yeah, I'd literally need an electric bike to be able to do something like a minute.

I have to do 3x7min intervals tonight. I'm thinking of doing it on Zwift, just holding wattage as normal, ignoring the screen/sound (I'll listen to music and watch the SRM).

Overall it was fun. The biggest thing for me was that there wasn't any skin in the game. No need to actually hang on in the draft, no one cared, etc. It's like being on a bike-a-thon versus being in a race.

Ygduf

my ctl is at a level it hasn't been in a few years. ready to go today.

globecanvas

That would actually be a really handy interval to use the screen for, because that's just about the lap time at speed. Start at one of the sprint arches and end at the same one. Personally I find that the best type of use of the thing, you can do the all the fool-yourself "just past the cabin then it's all downhill" tricks that you would do outside, plus you get the 300/200/100m signs at the very end of your interval to inspire you to go deep.


... I had 3x8 on my agenda yesterday and it was raining so I set up the trainer and zwift, planning to do just what I described. But when I went onto the porch to get the bike it was warmer than I expected (45 degrees woohoo) so I changed the plan and took the SS out in the rain to do repeats on an 8 minute hill. So glad I did.

Wylde06

Maybe the only time I can say I have a better sprint than cdr..I don't care if its in a virtual world or not! My pr is in the 7.xx range

JohnKScott

Ha! I was on last night too. Rainy and cold here. Looks like I just missed you!

carpediemracing 

I'm doing my intervals as part of an experiment, meaning a study that is official, so I decided to do them all on the trainer, regardless of weather. This way it'd be more consistent. Ditto the 3? 4? FTP tests. I doubt I'll do intervals like that after but I will do efforts on Zwift, it's much more motivating like in real life.

I don't know if I do a lap in 8 minutes. I should check. Hm, my laps are 14-15 min at 110 Zwift watts (about 160w on SRM). I'd be doing about 170-190 Zwift watts (210-240w SRM) I think. So 8 minute laps, um, no.

So I was mistaken. The two sprints where I finally remembered to take a snapshot were 8.7 and 8.66, my last couple sprints over 2 hours / 8 laps. It's the 7s I thought I could get into. Obviously there's some inaccuracy here since I'd never be able to do an 8 second 200m normal sprint.


I saw a lot of names I recognized but I don't remember seeing you. Saw a guy from Michigan I last saw in 1992? (TOur of Michigan). Not sure if it was him but he has a unique last name. It seemed like a lot of people climbed off in the 2 hours I was on. 10 PM must be about the "finishing riding" time, even not on the east coast. I climbed off at midnight.

hack

bunch of VO2 intervals lastnight:
3x8 @ 103% w/5 min rest
3x6 @ 105% w/5 min rest
3x4 @ 108% w/2 min rest

hit most, missed a few, hurt plenty during and today.

JohnKScott

I have been using Zwift since January. For better or worse I find that I have been, overall, pushing myself harder trying to hang on to stronger riders (which are most of them ) or trying to get a PR on a sprint or KOM at the expense of more structured training. It really has made trainer sessions somewhat, dare I say, enjoyable.

TheKillerPenguin

187 y'all