Fat Boy

The fat from a grass-fed animal is quite different from a grain-fed one. You can get the particulars here: https://www.nutritionj.com/content/9/1/10.

Grain-fed cattle are essentially sick/diabetic animals. The only way to keep them alive is to pump them full of antibiotics that Mike mentions. At the end of the day, I feel like humans put themselves in the same boat when they take in a whole bunch of grains in their diet.

lenA

should you be interested there are far more economical, less trendy and practical ways to alter the omega 3-6 ratio then buying $10 a pound hamburger

gsteinb

Eating animals that are raised in a manner that meets their natural needs is trendy?

mike868y

this is the thinking that has led this country into a lot of problems, nutritional and otherwise.

misterwaterfall

Americans also spend more on medical costs than they do on food. Maybe there is a link there? Just maybe

mike868y

and spend the one of the lowest % of total income (maybe the lowest? idk i don't have the data in front of me) on food.

Fat Boy

I bought a side of grass-fed beef. I'm at around $6/# and that's including a _bunch_ of steak. Having said that, it's about more than just the omega ratios (although that is important). Read the study.

Fat Boy

I will say that getting $10 grass-fed hamburger from New Zealand or Ecuador seems like absolute madness.

gsteinb

I ate a $28 burger a few weeks ago.


Spoiler alert






It was worth it.

Impreza_aL

i eat a burrito everyday. it's awesome.

Fat Boy

lenA

Yes it is trendy to endorse grass fed....kinda self serving and animal rightsy, but does nothing to address the needs of most who can't afford, or are not aware of what they are eating

Meat has to be a processed commodity to feed the world. Pasture raised livestock won't cover it. The industry needs to continually be pressured to make changes, but I guess a convenient alternative food source is the solution for some.

I live in and ag area and ever since they moved the animals out of pasture, and into containment, there has a remarkable recovery from rampant top soil erosion. And that's in the States

mike868y

meat doesn't "feed the world," though. the meat industry in america is huge because americans insist on eating meat 3 times a day. in most parts of the world, meat is eaten once a day, at most, and even then serving sizes are far smaller than americans. the meat industry isn't solving world hunger, it's filling the bellies of rich americans who could afford to purchase responsibly raised meat if they were a) educated and b) cared enough about their health/diet to spend more money on groceries and less on TVs/cars/video games/etc.

gsteinb

wow

echappist

why are you even here? Do you even race? Or are you just here to spout your own view on the economics of the meat business? All your posts in the 33 are in this thread, where you are arguing more about the politics and economics of the agricultural business more than the nutritional needs of bike racers.

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On a side note, that you think recovery from rampant top soil erosion justifies the commercial livestock industry is a red herring and laughable. Acres of forests gets cut down in developing countries order to meet demands of new farms, not to mention the tens of methane that gets produced. And you think that large scale meat production is somehow "sustainable?"

Mikey is absolutely right that we don't really need to eat that much meat-based protein a day, nor could the world sustain such a habit for all the population on this planet. To insist otherwise is to be willfully blind to the externalities imposed by meat production.

I personally don't eat that much meat, probably around ~3.5 lbs a week, 80% of which are grass fed chicken thigh. It comes out to be about 0.50 lbs or 220 g/day from which i get ~40g of protein split over 2-3 meals. This is supplemented by protein from cheese, milk, and whey protein, and i usually get ~130g total.

lenA

Excuse me, but I eat meat 5 times a day.

Wave a grilled pork chop in front of the nose of 'most of the world' and they will pine endless from that day forward

furiousferret

3 things I hate discussing: race, religion, and politics. Nutrition is making a push for the fourth.

rkwaki

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFemw_6a-Tg

rkwaki

It can be a positive discussion and I believe has proven effective for some...

echappist

get the f*** out. No one wants to hear your P&R ramblings

and i hear you like sausage and fish ; which reminds me, i'm gonna go eat some smoked wild Alaskan salmon

lenA

skewed demographics.... good old boys..... bragging rights at the coffee house

got it

Bye

echappist

don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Politics has nothing to do with it, and you are the one who injected it into the conversation in the first place.

Fat Boy

+1.

Not trying to be political _at all_:

Do some investigation on natural soil conservation. It has a lot to do with allowing animals to graze naturally. The droppings from these animals is how nature reintroduces nitrogen. You don't get that by planting corn/beans/wheat year after year. These things just suck the life out of the soil and then the farmers end up using all sorts of chemicals (anhydrous ammonia, etc.) to get the ground fit for planting the following year. It's a vicious circle that is ultimately not sustainable long term.

Prior to Europeans, there were something like 60,000,000 buffalo in North America. They helped make the plain states' The Great Plains'. When Europeans came in and killed all these buffalo, they caused a massive shift in the ecosystem and within a couple decades made 'The Great Dustbowl'. There's all sorts of yin/yang going on here. It takes one side of the equation to support the other. I believe we would be much better off having huge buffalo herds and smart livestock harvesting on the plains as opposed to grain crops. Farmers do what is best for them, though, and the boat is being steered in the direction of grain subsidies.

oespinoza83

wtf is going on here? i wish everyone would just eat cake and funyuns all day long. At least then I would have a better chance at some podiums

Fat Boy

I've enjoyed this thread and would like it to continue. Ultimately, most people feel a profound connection with the food they eat to the point that they are willing to defend their choices strongly even without much compelling information. It's a whole lot like religion and politics in that respect.