Jandro 

Does not compute.

shovelhd

Elitists are like cockroaches. A little spilled PBR and out of the woodwork they come.

hammy56

spilled pbr? not cool.

echappist

umm, i believe you are actually talking about hipsters

shovelhd

Hipsters have moved on to Rolling Rock, leaving the PBR for us old men who were drinking it before those poseurs were born.

botto 

rolling rock at the horseshoe bar... good times.

shovelhd

In Southport?

hammy56

pbr was the first beer i ever had. And being from Pa i had plenty of rolling rock back in the day. Now ive come full circle back to pbr.

but hipsters ruin everything-

gsteinb

Did you get the short straw?

botto 

ave b & e 7th.

hammy56

nyc?

Fat Boy

Daytona is like watching a Cat5 industrial park crit. There will never be a breakaway, there will be a big crash and the last lap will decide the winner. Honestly, the restrictor plate races don't do a whole lot for me. It's a difficult thing to do, no question, but I don't think it's much to watch on TV. Like I've said, in person is somewhat different.

I do like to watch the short-track stuff. The shorter the better. A lot more comes into play and you really see who has their **** together.

You might be surprised how many F1 refugees are in NASCAR. There's more money for a lot of team members in NASCAR than there is in F1 or other high levels of Euro racing, so the ones that can migrate west. F1 has _way_ more money per team, but they act like it's some sort of treat to spend 18 hours a day 350 days a year working on a car and don't want to pay. NASCAR has the work/life thing figured out a little better. It's still crazy, but at least it's liveable.

rkwaki

Kinda like robo-wookie's women

shovelhd

Thanks. I shuddered thinking that you and I could have been in the same bar decades ago and never knew it.

I will put that place on my list the next time I'm in the city, if it still exists.

rkwaki

The city or the place?

hammy56

I asked because I use to frequent a place on 7th and b or c, cant remember...it was either called "7C's, or 7B's...

botto 

same place.

hammy56

heh...no chit.

that was my 'stomping ground'...down the street were the others- the village idiot (country bar), psycho mongos, the spiral bar, downtown beirut (punk rock bar).

the memories are blurry.

Jandro 

Did you?

I was agreeing with botto's sentiment that having 'best racing' and 'nascar' in the same sentence does not compute.

botto 

a pennsyltucky redneck like you lived in new yawk and survived to talk about it?

shockin'

hammy56

I lived in Philly and B-more as a warm-up...but boy do I have stories. LES in the early 90's...good times. I think.

surely nowadays its a very hip place. I bet you fit right in.

botto 

you should have seen it in the 80s.

hammy56

I did...but didnt live there until 91-92.

botto 

around the time i left.

grwoolf

I'm pretty new to this stuff, but I've had decent luck getting in breaks in RR's. These are mostly CAT4 or masters, so take that for what it's worth. At the start, I typically know of a couple guys that are strong and highly likely to initiate or bridge to a break. If they go up the road, I'll follow or blow up trying. Beyond that, I try to stay in the top 5-7 places and selectively chase. If I've feeling good, I'll chase anything with 3 guys or more. Less than that, and I might chase if I'm feeling good and want to stretch the legs or with the hope to motivate others to join. When I've initiated early breaks, it's never hard, just powering off the front for a while and getting some heat in the legs.

For those that say 4/5 races don't have breaks that often, I've seen more in the 4/5 road races I've done compared to masters. That last 3 4/5 RR's I did were all won with a break away. I made 2 of them and was in the first chase group in the 3rd. I have no shot at a sprint, so I'll kill myself all day long trying to get into breaks. Once I'm there, I'll work my but off unless I can see the group is unwilling or unable to make it happen.