Viperz, you should stop lauding Goretex as a near-perfect outer shell layer for aerobic sports like bicycling and other aerobic activities, because IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE to the best performing fabric for this type of activity, particularily winter bicycling.

IN MY EXPERIENCE, I find goretex lacking, even for those other people that are using it. I've watched many cases of 'lunch stop hypothermia' by people in goretex parkas in the mountains, viper.

Goretex doesn't work as well as other fabric technologies, even for the people that wear Goretex and think it works great. That's what years of experience has taught me, observing many people up on Rainier or just out there.

sorry, Viper, but anyone wearing gorts and carrying a VE-25 on the beach, yet still thinks his advice sound, needs rebuttal from a bonifide outdoor dirtbag.