Originally Posted by delicious

Well what the hell kind of answer are you looking for? Dijos put it perfectly - if you are buying a vintage frame, you need to know what constitutes a "real" one. That means if you're buying a Guerciotti, you know that it has the star cutouts and lugwork, for example.

Coming into a forum where no one knows you, asking a nebulous, uninformed question, and then giving sarcastic replies to people trying to help you is a pretty ******** lame thing to do.