I'm glad I started this thread I ha no idea listing in vintage parts would make such a big different. Live and learn I guess. I did put some metal polish to the derailleur but I guess I could have got out the dremel too. My pictured do suck. That box idea looks great fender 1. I think a tripod will help me take better photos and I am getting 1. That said I didn't lose any money on these I was just disappointed ad my final price was far below what I typically see. Thanks all.