This was fun really and I do think the problem is behind me. I think I'll start feeding myself to the sharks more often. You guys are a ball of fun..... no really. Thanks again to the people who did help. The hill mash with no back pedal seemed to be the trick. If I'm a ******bag then I guess I'll take my ball and go home, because I certainly don't want to stay, put up a fight, waste my time.....F-it I'm going riding......brakeless and happy.