Wow, I'm confused. Depending on which page and post you look at, FREDs seem to include just about anyone. I agree with Velocipedio (did i spell that right?). I have not encountered much Fredism up here in MB. What I have encountered (and find hilarious) is bike-envy from my non-biker co-workers. Took me a while to realize this as a newbie. You should have seen their reactions when I told them they were just jealous. Deny, deny. deny. Now I only give them a big grin when they comment. Drives 'em bananas!!!