I think what A LOT of people fail to realize is that. The quality of the product has everything to do with how much "big name italian brand" is willing to pay for the high end specs. And how high they set the specs.

A product's quality has as much to do with the factory managers/workers as it does the brand name buying from them.

it just urks me when people mention walmart but don't mention or know anything about the fact that ipods/iphones and now even bmw's are made in china.
And it cracks me up how so many "big name bike brand" make so much profit from chinese labor but always try to hide the fact that the bike is made in china. And when it does it always goes something like. "designed in the US. made in china" or some **** like that. always making sure the consumer knows the product has something to do with Europe or the US. while hiding the actual country of production. lame.