Yes, I'll give you that. That is true, and it is bull****. But like you said, only to a certain extent are these products able to be manufactured at a higher standard. Just not to the overall extent as if it were produced in the US or parts of Europe though. I don't know, If the dollar continues it's slide, I can see manufacturing moving back to the US, and then we'd see a real test of how well things are made in America. But until then, you have to admit that the overall conditions for making quality anything in China are just not there yet. The standard is just lower. Not on everything, but overall. There are a million reasons for this, none of them racial. But while the quality of the high-end bike made in China or Taiwan could/would be just as good as if it were to be made in America, the stigma attached to Chinese made goods is well earned. While it may not be right, I know I've had that reaction before. And I can't fault someone for having the same reactions I might have under different circumstances. I'm sorry, I've got a lot of thoughts on all this stuff that would make for crappy reading on a forum. And I don't have the energy right now to go into the past two hundred years of Chinese history and how it plays into what goes on today. PM me on this & I'll give you a better response.