Tiger & I had an 'off' (well he came off anyway!).........mostly my fault.......changed me 'line' to avoid some japanese tourists who had the audacity to walk when they had right of way!.......tiger hit me......derailiuer thru the spokes.....'hanger' bent at 45 deg!........actually my story is that Tiger didn't have enough 'roadie cred' (not enough scars), so I sent him down!....fark....If ya gunna ride with blokes that aren't psychic so they know when ya gunna move off your 'line'....LOL.......I don't think he's too happy.......bit o' gravel rash...but the 486!......new derailuer hanger (thank fark it's replaceable!) new spoke for the kysiriums!....didn't break, just bent a little...those things are indestructible!....but I'm still in mourning!....Tiger reckons the derailuer hanger will be a 'Look' proprietry type....so Hitchy's hand will have to dig deep in the skyrocket!......(Sob)