is that reasonable for steel?......you can't race 9kg in a hilly race these days...especially if you're a fat baarstard to start with.....might be alright on the flat.....he's got DA on it, could probably save a few gms on the wheels, keo's instead of the SPD's.....you could get it down a fair bit I reckon.All jokes aside, i'm gunna investigate a Ti frame for the future (no I'm not selling the 486 (sob)......yet)

Hitchy