you dont get em for value... you get them because they look sweet and are lightweight...

reasons you dont get them for value..
- proprietary spokes, and nipples (which are very pricey)
- aluminum nipples and rims have tendency to seize and saves little weight over fulcrum 1s (stainless nipples)
- they are a pain to true... or cant be trued much (tend to create stress cracks around the nipples if you are not careful with them 2 local mechanics both urge not to true them if not really needed)

lots of other rims and wheels out there (custom made) etc are just better designed or tend to get more "BANG FOR THE BUCK"

with that all said i have them... i love them because i got them for the bling.. mine are the all red version... i take very very good care of them..clean them and inspect them after every other ride. they stay round and true.. they feel very stiff not flexy and spin free and fast (ceramic)...



ps. awiner- where did u get quoted on 12$? i was quoted over double that for spokes.... any info? thanks..