That would work with most but not with the Surly's I had. They were sort of like a thin, hard plastick and sort of like paint! It was a project and I wanted to order the frame set without them but was told I could not when I called Surly. I told them I live in Detroit and wanted to tone down the theft appeal but I just like the low impact look of the color, raw alloy and leather. It sort of looks old school to me. The theft thing did NOT work as I often come out to people looking at it and people stop me all the time to ask about it O-well, whatayagointodo?