I've got one non-Fred bike ('79 Raleigh Professional), but don't ride with groups, as I'm fat and slow (relatively), and don't pay attention to speed or cadence. It is fun to pass cars in a 30 mph zone though. Of all my other bikes, one other is a drop bar bike, but that is outfitted with stem shifters and fenders, another is an upright, north roads barred, Wald basketed commuter, and the other two are "english" three speeds that have been even further fredified.