yes. there's a guy around here in the masters scene, not as credentialed as GWBNAF or your dutch boy, but he's strong and extremely sloppy. He's been the instigator of two of the stupidest crashes I've ever witnessed - one where he ran into the tower at the s/f at kelly cup (it wasnt on the course, it was a good 3 feet off the course) and another where he ran into a cone, knocked it onto the course, then next lap ran into the same cone and crashed. I hate being anywhere near him, but he seems to find the podium often enough that I sometimes need to be.