Originally Posted by miamijim

Just becasue a guy doesnt braze the tubes together it doesnt mean a frame is junk. A quality ride has just as much to with tube selection and frame geometry as it does with who held a torch. Its possible to be great designer and to understand the physics and mechanics behind what makes a bike ride well or what needs to be changed to get certain characteristic but not be good with a torch.

I'll betcha most of these guys didnt put a torch anywhere near the number of frames we think they did. I was reading the De Rosa hype and how he was botique builder and only built bikes for certain people and teams blah blah blah but there he is standing in front of a row of frames. Sorry, but I'm not buying into it.