It`s true that there`s no such thing as the perfect saddle, and also true that with Brooks you either really like `em or you really don`t. I tried both a B-17 Standard and a B-17 Narrow and found them to be excruciating. They just didn`t work for me. Got a Koobi Enduro, mounted it about 11 cm below my PBH, centered it on the rails then set it level, and that was it. It was The One for me and I wouldn`t ride anything else. But, it could just as well be someone else`s ass-hatchet.