Don't take my "mass produced" comment the wrong way. "Mass" is a relative term. I was making a distinction between an off-the-peg production frame and a custom. I don't think anyone mass produces lugged steel frames in the same sense that, say, Giant, mass produces Aluminum and CF frames. But Gios is a production shop in that they have a (small, I imagine) crew that churns out a certain amount of identical frames that they ship out to distributors. How many Peg makes I do not know.

I think the Gios frames are fabulous, actually. Had the brochure up in my room as a child for a long time! They still look just as great. I'd love to have one.

The more I've looked it looks like Pegoretti is churning out a fair number of frames themselves. I understand the guy has a big reputation but when this thread started I had in mind an old italian dude with a brazing torch in his hand in some dingy little shop in Italy and maybe an assistant helping him cut tubes, brewing espresso, bringing him a Moretti or a glass of Chianti in the afternoon, etc. From looking at the Competetive Cyclist website though it looks like they're mass producing them in at LEAST the quantities I had in mind for Gios. If that's the case that put me firmly in the "I don't get it" category. There are a lot of really fabulous truly hand-built frames out there for a lot less. Big rep or no. To each his own, price isn't the only consideration, etc. etc. but for that price it seams like it should be made of Arborium tubing hand-drawn by the builder and blessed by the pope.

Still not sure what the OP is really looking for......