One thing to note is a frame like the Atlantis or Bombadil ..... I'm pretty sure the lugs are custom made to their specs. To get the bowed out chainstays would likely require a TIG welded the frame. Does it matter?..... it depends who's answering.

All this talk of "wasting" money on a more expensive frame is silly. A bike is a long term investment.... not a firggin' airline ticket to Bula Bula. Spend what you need, want or desire...... who cares what your reasoning is? They're all valid ..... or all BS ...... depending on who you ask ..... right?

Are Rivendell's over priced? Over hyped ..... and on and on? No more .... no less than a Surly . One could ask a whole host of questions of how Surly sells these frames for $400. The more questions asked .... the more blurry the line becomes .

The only difference between a Riv frame from a Davidson, Surly, Gordon or any other brand name is between the ears. Spend as much , or as little as you can. You're all correct .