I got ran off the road by a pack of cyclists today...
08-26-15, 11:06 PM
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Personally, I strive to ride, drive, or walk in such a manner that I don't force others to slow down or stop to avoid me. This means I do not change lanes unless I am going faster than the speed of the people in the new lane I'm joining or crossing. And so... If I wanted to cross a lane of traffic to get into a left turn lane like the OP, I certainly wouldn't just cut in front of faster approaching traffic (the "roadies") and expect them to accommodate me. I'd have planned ahead and/or sped up to assure I'd cross their path before they got up to me. It's common courtesy
The laws and rules of the road apply to each individual in the group as individuals, not to the group as a single entity, therefore the burden of common courtesy and accommodation falls on the group.
08-26-15, 11:30 PM
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I would agree when interacting with individuals using the road in a lawful manner, but this was a group using the road in a manner outside of the laws and rules of the road.
The laws and rules of the road apply to each individual in the group as individuals, not to the group as a single entity, therefore the burden of common courtesy and accommodation falls on the group.
The laws and rules of the road apply to each individual in the group as individuals, not to the group as a single entity, therefore the burden of common courtesy and accommodation falls on the group.
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08-26-15, 11:49 PM
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https://www.justdrivepa.org/Resources...y%20Manual.pdf
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08-27-15, 07:28 AM
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08-27-15, 08:29 AM
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The state of Pennsylvanian has an official horse and buggy drivers manual. Page 22 is very interesting, just replace the words "horse" and "buggy" with roadie.
https://www.justdrivepa.org/Resources...y%20Manual.pdf
https://www.justdrivepa.org/Resources...y%20Manual.pdf
2. Drive in the Buggy Lane, if one is provided.
3. Be visible day and night at all angles by using lights and reflective tape.
4. Use horses that are safe to be on the road.
5. Train horses to always stop at the Stop signs.
6. Never try to race a motor vehicle at a crossroad. Be patient and wait until it is
safe to cross.
7. Always be careful when making left turns. Signal first then proceed to
make the turn when traffic is clear.
But what if your buggy is being pulled by a team of a dozen or more horses? Does each one stop at stop signs?
08-27-15, 08:34 AM
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08-27-15, 09:29 AM
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1. Pull off the road to let traffic pass whenever it is safe.
2. Drive in the Buggy Lane, if one is provided.
3. Be visible day and night at all angles by using lights and reflective tape.
4. Use horses that are safe to be on the road.
5. Train horses to always stop at the Stop signs.
6. Never try to race a motor vehicle at a crossroad. Be patient and wait until it is
safe to cross.
7. Always be careful when making left turns. Signal first then proceed to
make the turn when traffic is clear.
But what if your buggy is being pulled by a team of a dozen or more horses? Does each one stop at stop signs?
2. Drive in the Buggy Lane, if one is provided.
3. Be visible day and night at all angles by using lights and reflective tape.
4. Use horses that are safe to be on the road.
5. Train horses to always stop at the Stop signs.
6. Never try to race a motor vehicle at a crossroad. Be patient and wait until it is
safe to cross.
7. Always be careful when making left turns. Signal first then proceed to
make the turn when traffic is clear.
But what if your buggy is being pulled by a team of a dozen or more horses? Does each one stop at stop signs?
08-27-15, 09:34 AM
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08-27-15, 12:34 PM
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Every group I've run across has gone around me. I doubt the skinny little hobbit like twigs on wheels would want to run into me so it's self preservation on their part. 
They'd be much more likely to bounce off me in a collision. I've had that happen before with people coming around corners or texting while we're walking.
When I ride my road bike I probably classify as a pack of cyclists on my own.
They'd be much more likely to bounce off me in a collision. I've had that happen before with people coming around corners or texting while we're walking.
When I ride my road bike I probably classify as a pack of cyclists on my own.
08-27-15, 12:55 PM
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Every group I've run across has gone around me. I doubt the skinny little hobbit like twigs on wheels would want to run into me so it's self preservation on their part.
They'd be much more likely to bounce off me in a collision. I've had that happen before with people coming around corners or texting while we're walking.
When I ride my road bike I probably classify as a pack of cyclists on my own.
They'd be much more likely to bounce off me in a collision. I've had that happen before with people coming around corners or texting while we're walking.
When I ride my road bike I probably classify as a pack of cyclists on my own.
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