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Old 10-19-17 | 01:58 PM
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Sign spotted on shared path

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Spotted on a shared path leading to a small park with children's playground. Location: Melbourne, AUS.

Thought the artwork was interesting with the sound waves coming from the cyclist - voice and bell?
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Old 10-19-17 | 02:24 PM
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I like the sign that reads:

"Pedestrians must keep their entire entourage on one side of the path, walk in a straight line, and be aware of overtaking traffic."

Or how about:

"Pedestrians may NOT wear ear buds so they can HEAR passing cyclists calling out."

Well...I would like it if I ever saw one like that!
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Old 10-19-17 | 02:31 PM
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Good reminder of the rules, which IMO are reasonable and appropriate.

In all passing situations - whether under marine rules, on roads, or on paths - what's there and being passed has the right of way, and the burden of ensuring a safe pass falls to the passing vehicle. It simply can't work any other way.
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Originally Posted by FBinNY
Good reminder of the rules, which IMO are reasonable and appropriate.

In all passing situations - whether under marine rules, on roads, or on paths - what's there and being passed has the right of way, and the burden of ensuring a safe pass falls to the passing vehicle. It simply can't work any other way.
Life would be so much easier if the pass-ee acts in a reasonable, predictable, sane manner. Ever heard a marine horn? How would mindless peds react to a blast from one of those babies in order to insure I can pass safely?
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Old 10-19-17 | 03:51 PM
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Life would be so much easier if the pass-ee acts in a reasonable, predictable, sane manner.....
Yes, it would, but we have to adapt how things are, and not how they should be.

Keep in mind that in passing situations, the passee has no legal obligation to make way. He should, out of common courtesy, and in some situations may even be compelled to, ie. rules relating to obstructing traffic on roads, but even then giving way isn't mandated to be immediately on demand, more like first safe opportunity.

Even in the worst case of an obnoxious SOB who adamantly refuses to make way, no law gives you the right to push him out of the way or otherwise endanger him to pass. The common law here is pretty much absolute - the passing vehicle is the burdened one, and MUST hold back until it can pass safely.

I know of no exceptions, other than for emergency vehicles, (though I suspect that some hair splitter here will post one.)

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BTW - I know that I can be thick, but I cannot grasp why so many here have problems with this concept. Especially here where many of those same people are so righteous when it comes to their rights as applied to passing cars.
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Old 10-19-17 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyBike
Life would be so much easier if the pass-ee acts in a reasonable, predictable, sane manner. Ever heard a marine horn? How would mindless peds react to a blast from one of those babies in order to insure I can pass safely?
I’m deaf. Honk all you want, I won’t hear it and won’t get out of your way. The expectation that a passing bike can get the right of way by calling out or using a bell is simply unworkable, and it is unfortunate that it is now the expected rule. As FBinNY said, the passer bears all responsibility to pass safely, no matter what the passee does.
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Originally Posted by Aubergine
I’m deaf. Honk all you want, I won’t hear it and won’t get out of your way. The expectation that a passing bike can get the right of way by calling out or using a bell is simply unworkable, and it is unfortunate that it is now the expected rule. As FBinNY said, the passer bears all responsibility to pass safely, no matter what the passee does.
I know. A pedestrian can jump right out in front of me and get me jail time too and this has been proven recently. Another good reason to give up recreational cycling. It's all on me. Nobody else has to pay attention, I have to look out for EVERY moron in the world. And my name isn't even Jesus, although Joseph is Biblical. I am just not up to the task.
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I know. A pedestrian can jump right out in front of me and get me jail time too and this has been proven recently. Another good reason to give up recreational cycling.
For you, I would agree.
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Old 10-19-17 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Aubergine
I’m deaf. Honk all you want, I won’t hear it and won’t get out of your way. The expectation that a passing bike can get the right of way by calling out or using a bell is simply unworkable, and it is unfortunate that it is now the expected rule. As FBinNY said, the passer bears all responsibility to pass safely, no matter what the passee does.
If only motor vehicle operators were held to the same standard !
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Old 10-19-17 | 04:44 PM
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If only motor vehicle operators were held to the same standard !
Actually they are, as are folks on the water.
But being held to a standard under civil or criminal law, is different than living up to that standard. So we have to keep the difference between what folks are sup posed to do, and what they actually do. While we're at it we must also prepare for what they MAY do which is another ball of wax altogether.

There are countless number of riders with thousands of miles safe over years and decades. They are still riding because they do what the dinosaurs didn't ----- adapt and adjust.

Ultimately that's the key, debate all you want, but once on the road it's about adapting and adjusting to the reality and the situations at hand.
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Old 10-19-17 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by fbinny
good reminder of the rules, which imo are reasonable and appropriate.

In all passing situations - whether under marine rules, on roads, or on paths - what's there and being passed has the right of way, and the burden of ensuring a safe pass falls to the passing vehicle. It simply can't work any other way.
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Old 10-19-17 | 05:59 PM
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Here the rules say to keep to the right, and travel in a predictable manner. And to move out of the way when stopped. Since the rules are adopted as statute, they're pretty much equal to the pedestrian right of way and yielding when passing, so there is a bit of balance there.
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Actually in the marine environment the vessel being passed must maintain course and speed till overtaken. So they also have responsibility when being passed.
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Actually in the marine environment the vessel being passed must maintain course and speed till overtaken. So they also have responsibility when being passed.
That's true, and similar rules apply on roads, and by extension on shared bike/pedestrian paths. However, that applies when the pass is in progress, it's still the responsibility of the passing boat, car, or bike to determine that the pass can certainly completed safely, assuming the one being passed doesn't do anything stupid.
This is why we announce passes, but let's not shunt the thread to the on your left siding
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Actually in the marine environment the vessel being passed must maintain course and speed till overtaken. So they also have responsibility when being passed.
Same for motorist and pedestrians and cyclist being passed. Too bad so many forget that part of it.
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Here in Florida we have tons of Share the Road signs and I very much appreciate them and gladly pay the extra fee for my bike specialty plates to fund their installation.

As for the sign on the MUP (in the OP), it reminds me of why I stay away from them; I've done a few miles on the MUPs in Washington D.C. and happily will stick to the roads.

I'm totally sick of all them bike bells
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