TDHudson

My wife and I have Dux Helm helmets, which are a really nice design with a retractible eye shield -- I think they originally came out around 2013; we bought ours several years later.

The helmets have held up very well; the other day she mentioned that she'd like to get a new cushioned liner, so I went online to get one.

Sadly, it looks like the company is no longer around. I found a cushioned liner on Ebay but it's price is ridiculously high (over $20!). I'm wondering if anyone knows of a store that carried these helmets and might have some helmets or replacement parts still sitting around.

Thanks!

veganbikes

I would recommend replacing your helmets every 3-5 years or if they have been in a crash or dropped significantly. Generally when your liners wear out that is a good sign the helmet has done it's job and your corrosive sweat has taken its toll on the helmet.

Generally if the company is gone, that is probably not a great sign for the helmets themselves especially since it was not that long ago the company was founded.

njkayaker

"Probably" not. It would be hard for even somebody with a "perfect" helmet to start out and succeed in time to make a profit. Every company has to comply with the same standards.

This is not much different than telling somebody to chuck their discontinued helmet.

veganbikes

Yes of course you do need to make a profit but if you cannot make a good product and make a profit that can say something on the product. Yes sometimes it is hard to keep in the market and deal with everything but sometimes they aren't a good product.

In terms of discontinued helmets if it is older than 5 years yes I would say chuck that helmet easily.

njkayaker

Earlier, you said this particular thing was “probably” a bad product. Which is ridiculous nonsense based on nothing.

Now, you are saying “sometimes products aren’t good”. Which is a ridiculous example of moving goal posts. And so obvious as to be pointless to say.

You have no idea whether this particular not “a good product”.

veganbikes

Ok, so your point is I have said things and in this case I have talked about one product and then talked about other products generically. Good point. I did do that. Such astute observations about different things being said.

I have an idea and I stated that idea and then I stated another idea which was in a similar vein to the previous idea.

njkayaker

No.


You have no way of knowing that the particular thing is “probably” a bad product. What you said was nonsense based on nothing.

Saying “some products are not good” isn’t really saying anything. That’s true for successful companies too (which contradicts your earlier nonsense$.

veganbikes

I can read James Huang's review which gave it 2 out of 5 stars https://www.bikeradar.com/reviews/du...helmet-review/
and I can also look at it and make an informed opinion having sold helmets for many years and seen a lot of different designs and companies and such.

retswerb

I'll bet OP finds this a very enlightening dialog.

Sorry we have no help for you, TDHudson .

I-Like-To-Bike

I wouldn't be surprised if you sold some of those helmets to customers who you convinced to replace helmets that were "probably" quite serviceable, just because the helmets were older than some arbitrary age and were "probably" just as serviceable as the new helmet you sold to them.

njkayaker

So, three days after making your ridiculous comment, you did a little bit of research.

That review doesn't support your claim that it's not safe.

So, you either didn't read or understand the review.

Given that the OP liked the helmet, that review isn't relevant anyway

Since you no longer do that, by your logic you must have been bad at it.

veganbikes

No actually I didn't just do research, but thanks for playing. Phil tell him what he has won...a dinette set from Broyhill. Broyhill quality furniture for game shows and for our home viewers you get a copy of the home game.

I had seen that article previously to that comment but hey you gotta infer something that wasn't there. He gave it a 2 of 5 star review, yes he mentioned some positives, it is a review website after all and they do get the product to test so they have to not be total jerks or nobody will send them products. I am not saying he didn't like it either but he didn't rave about it and did mention some parts to it that were not ideal. Also in terms of that review I didn't state it was the reason for safety. But an old helmet with no support that is potentially 7-10 years old is not one I would use to protect my brain but then again I like to protect my brain I have something worth protecting others maybe like yourself don't and that is fine, that is your choice and have fun with it.

In terms of selling helmets I still sell helmets that hasn't changed the shop I work at has but that wasn't on me, the shop closed down after the owner passed away and so I had to find a new shop.

Hey it's cool some people like it thicc. Maybe not quite that kind but OK.

njkayaker

"That comment"? What comment?

You mentioned the review three days after your first BS comment and on the third time you replied to me.

It's not exactly believable you read the review 3 days ago and only "got around" to mentioning it 3 days and 3 replies later.

And. as I said, your original BS comment was unsupported (having secret references that you don't tell anyone about is "unsupported").

And it doesn't support your claim at all. So it doesn't matter whether you secretly read it a while ago!

You are moving goal posts. You first said the company produced were likely bad beyond "being old" or "not having support".

I-Like-To-Bike

I wonder what kind of "support" a bicycle helmet owner needs if the helmet's only flaw is being too old IAW the "standards" established by helmet makers' marketing departments and professed by their salesmen at the LBS.

So-called hidden flaws that allegedly develop over time in a bicycle helmet and allegedly reduce it's effectiveness are either imaginary or marketing scams; or if present are probably just as likely to exist in a brand new helmet. Whatever the case, what "support" is offered by the helmet sellers/manufacturers other than advice to buy their latest and allegedly greatest product?

njkayaker

"Support" seems to be limited to getting parts (like pads and retaining devices). It's kind of nice to be able to buy parts for an otherwise "fine" helmet.

But there's a fairly finite limit to this. Every manufacturer changes the models and won't produce parts for very long.

Manufacturers also might have "crash plans", that will give you a discount for a helmet that has taken a hit.

(All this is fairly well-known even if it's news to you.)

I-Like-To-Bike

Buying parts for a hemet that appears fine to the owner sounds a little OCD to me. A helmet that appears fine and shows no visible damage does not need to be replaced even at a "discount,"even if the manufacturer "might offer a crash plan."

It would be news if there is any credible evidence of "hidden damage" invisible to the owner after a "hit,"or after an arbitrary date since manufacture affecting the performance of a modern helmet.

It should be noted that many old-wives tales are "well-known" and often repeated, especially if someone can make a buck from encouraging a belief in it.

njkayaker

This is a mess.

It would seem you'd want to encourage the availability of parts.

If a helmet "showed visible damage", wouldn't offering a discount for a replacement also be something you'd want to encourage?

I-Like-To-Bike

The "issue" is that gullible bicyclists are encouraged by salesmen at LBS, manufacturer marketeers and some BF "experts" to replace serviceable helmets just because they allegedly may be defective due to" hidden damage" or invisible deterioration just because they have passed an arbitrary date or suffered a "hit" that left no visible damage. As you have pointed out, the "support" existing of pads or restraining hardware, if made available at all, is only for a limited time and may no longer be offered for helmets beyond the arbitrary helmet end-of safe use/replacement date fabricated by the manufacturer.

Replacing helmets that have visible damage from whatever cause, (or for fashion purposes or improved features) is a different topic.

njkayaker

The real "issue" is that I wasn't ever talking about this.

You criticize people for replacing parts yet it works against "replacing a fine helmet unnecessarily".
This doesn't make sense.

But you think it's OCD for people to want to replace broken parts. Stop blathering.

I-Like-To-Bike

Correct, you quoted my posts about questionable sales tactics/"advice" meant to encourage needless and wasteful replacement of serviceable helmets and then posted a snarky non-responsive response, talking about something else entirely - fixing or replacing visibly broken, damaged or worn out helmets.

njkayaker

No.

You expressed some degree of "surprise" about "support" (which includes replacing parts) and then said nonsense about people wanting to replace parts when replacing parts works to reduce the other problem you are going on about.

You aren't making sense.

veganbikes

What comment? Are you that thick jeez. The previous comment was it not obvious.

Yes I did mention the review people mention things, you mentioned things. Good job! Your trophy is in the mail.

I am moving goal posts? Fine whatever it just seems you want to be counter to everyone in this thread. It doesn't seem like you really have anything meaningful to post and don't want to talk helmets just want to be a contrarian which is I guess your Modus Operandi. Have fun.

njkayaker

If you had seen it before your first comment, providing it three days later is silly.

That reference also does not support your first comment.

Yet you call me "thick",

JoeyBike

When I purchase a new helmet I buy two extra pad sets ASAP and save them for later. I'm on the third set in my current helmet - a Bell Super - which looks perfectly OK after at least 10 years of use in the Sunbelt. Inside and out. Now I perfectly understand that the integrity of expanded Styrene and hard shell COULD and likely DOES degrade over time and will not argue or dispute this claim. HOWEVER....I never really believed that my (any) helmet would protect me under cataclysmic circumstances. This sets me free from purchasing a new one every three years (@ $150+) worrying about a life threatening crash. I am STILL confident that my current helmet will shade me from the sun, hold my rearview mirror, and protect my melon from scuffs and cuts within reason. <---THIS is all I EVER expected from any helmet I have ever owned.

I do not EVER feel comfortable appearing to agree with I-Like-To-Bike however.