What

1 out of 3 drivers here really wouldn't care if they killed someone. It's that bad and there is next to no bike-friendly infrastructure. The whole "Scarface Complex" thing doesn't help much, either.

Kurt Erlenbach

Updated article here says the cabbie admitted faliing asleep.

San Rensho 

Jesus, I'm pretty sure I saw this group this morning right before it happened! I was in a big group when I broke a spoke and had to stop. When I was stopped, I waved at group that went by that I have ridden with on many occassions that goes to Miami Beach! Damn I hope it wasn't them.

Yes, those comments are beyond stupid, they are the most hateful and vile I have read in a long time.

I have been accused on A and S of exaggerating how horrible drivers are towards cyclists in Miami, so if the comments don't prove it, I don't know what will.

JoeyBike

There is definitely a cultural aspect to how motorists feel about cyclists and how cyclists react to that situation. I live in New Orleans, LA. Cycling here can be mayhem. Cyclists adjust by obeying their own set of laws regarding traffic.

New Orleans has no special provisions for commuting cyclists - i.e., separate paths. We do have bike racks on public buses. People use the racks too.

I am sad that more cyclists have been HBC. The silver lining here is yet another community has piped up about horrendous cycling conditions in general, something that seems totally foreign to many on A&S.

JoeyBike

That's what my lawyer would have told me to say too.

Kurt Erlenbach

No, your lawyer would have told you to keep your mouth shut. Admitting to falling asleep at least admits to simple negligence, and potentially to culpable negligence. Some of the comments to the article indicated they thought the sun might have been in the driver's eyes, as he was heading due east at 8:00 a.m.

JoeyBike

Well, now everyone here knows I am not a lawyer.

cudak888 

F.Y.I.: The road in question is six lane only in terms of both directions of travel. Otherwise, it is three lanes in either direction, separated by a large median with foliage and palm trees.

Also has quite a wide outer lane, if you're into those sorts of things, though the WOL is usually littered with parked cars with cruise-ship watchers. Far right lane is also known for slow drivers pacing the ships.

-Kurt

What

All accurate information, but it is important to note that there are a few areas where the so-called WOL disappears entirely into the far right lane of traffic. Speaking of traffic, anyone who regularly drives through this area would not deny that its flow blasts down this stretch. Well above the posted speed limit of 50 mph.

In fact, the Miami Beach Police Department regularly parks "dummy" cars in the WOL to try to deter speeders in this area during the day. It is a remarkably bad place to ride considering the Venetian has lanes and much slower traffic. I'm not saying the Venetian is perfect, but the Macarthur is a death trap.

jonathanrules

genec

Hey this looks just like the California arterials I ride all the time... same freeway like setting, same "shoulder"/bike lane, same excessive speeders...

Yup real bike friendly. So much for 10 cyclists being "conspicuous" enough...

"dem cyclists musta swerved... "

KarmicPedals

The odd thing is.. that taxi seems pretty centered in the middle lane with no skid marks ... he hit them then veered back into the lane if the reports of the cyclists being in the southernmost (far right) lane are accurate,

JoeyBike

That looks like more like a movie set than an accident scene. Man, what a mess.

bunaka

Last year I witnessed a horrible accident between a car and a single rider. Judging by the damage to the bikes in the photos above, it is miraculous that they all survived. They must have 'swerved' at just the right time.

There was a similar incident here in Sydney during May.
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...sydney_crash08

wannaride

This is far from the truth. From what I've read on this board we are relatively lucky here in SoFla. I rarely have problems with cars. Today I had much bigger issues with other riders including some genius who doing 35 mph coming off the Key Biscayne bridge whistled loudly instead of saying "on your left" when he came up on a slower rider which caused the other rider to almost take out his buddy and me. Another problem is the following group who doing 30 or so will pass riders on both sides. While very unfortunate you can understand some of the riduculous and outrageous comments made about bicyclists as these idiots will do equally stupid things around cars.

Back on point, this was an absolutely unnecessary tragedy. I will not ride the McArthur Causeway because of the glass on the side of the road and the fact that cars fly here. The next causeway up is a pretty nice ride and except for the bridge work - which I get by doing Key Biscayne after Miami Beach - there is no reason to be on McArthur Causeway. Of course they should be able to ride it without risk and this should never have happened.

No one mentioned that Saturday morning a runner got killed by a car crossing US 1. Absolutely no reason that should have happened although many runners do not make themselves as visible as they should.

We have a lot of work to do here.

Kurt Erlenbach

The "no skid marks" line is a red herring. Anti-lock brakes don't leave skid marks, no matter how hard you hit them. The taxi in the center lane is disturbing - you've got to hope the taxi swerved into that lane.

Those pictures are truly painful.

Pieralberto

I have never seen a cop here enforcing the steer clear 3ft law, I was pulled over while riding in a quiet suburban road because I was fixing my hear rate band and I almost got a ticket for wreckless driving. I wanted to send the cop to hell but you know you cant, at the end he let me go. Yes this city is crazy, I feel sorry for the guys of Team Paisa and there famous sunday ride! There is alwayds the risk of some AH driving high or sleeping like the cab driver in this case...

https://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/MI95087/

Pieralberto

Lots of work to do here,local government could care less, we should organize and get gov and law enforcement to do something, how about a few hundred riders going at 10 miles northbound on US 1 at 7:30 am?

Pieralberto

That is the team Paisa sunday ride, from kendall to SOBE Key biscayne back to kendall. Nice group for some reason it was pretty small today. No sure if the Paisa met them, i saw a few uniforms on the news..

https://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/MI95087/

Booger

The comments are brutal. Glad I don't live there

Allister

Best Comment: I'd say there are, judging from the comments.

What

I don't want to jack this thread and turn it into an argument, but are we driving/riding the same roads? After living in other large cities there is no question in my mind that, by and large, drivers here are recklessly aggressive and ignorant, road rage is rampant and so less of a value is placed on life that it is hardly a wonder that Miami routinely ranks as the #1 city with the "rudest" drivers. In hindsight, the 1 out of 3 figure I threw out there might have been a gross underestimate.

Ajenkins

I'm not entirely sure that I care about that. I'm certainly glad you feel you can use all those options, but why it would matter to anyone else on this forum is a little obscure.

uke

I don't really care if you care or not. I was responding to the insinuation that, without a bicycle, I would be unable to travel from point A to point B. Perhaps next time you could try reading the rest of the comment you selectively quoted, instead of taking the comment out of context to pipe in with how little you cared to read it.

jonathanrules

where the cop cars are parked at the intersection is where the collision took place. he dragged the bikes for quite away, 150+ feet