SchnauzerHerder

+1

was wondering if someone would post that

KitN

I ride that stretch of street often. I knew about that pothole before they got around to putting a orange cone in it. It's huge and hard to miss, lol.

Actually, that car blocks advance view of that huge pothole so if I was just diving out into traffic to get around his car then back into the bike lane and didn't know that pothole was there, I'd have little time to dodge it. Yikes! So I think the car deserves a double ticket, lol.

enine

I must be feeling evil tonight, I'm thinking since I commute on a MTB ans that car quite rounded I should be able to put a tire track on the truck/roof/hood as I went over it.

caloso

More often than not, if I'm in Mr. DeRespino's situation I'll stop on the left side of the lane and wave right turners through, but only if I feel like it's safe to do so. Just trying to be courteous and friendly, but of course courtesy and friendliness are far subordinate to safety -- especially my own.

And I often take a stretch of road in the afternoons where there is a bike lane that people will try to use as a passing on the right lane. When I hear a car in the bike lane I'll turn and give them The Look. And then slow, slow, slow down to less than walking speed.

nwmtnbkr

I applaud all of you who ride in cities. I never had the courage to ride the streets when I lived in the D.C. area, instead I would put the bike on the bike rack and drive to trails. Drivers were too aggressive and there were just too many red light runners. I've since retired and moved to a rural area in the Northern Rockies where motorists actually wave and smile at cyclists.

I think there will be no solution to transportation conflicts in this country until every state begins to take urban planning seriously. In hindsight, allowing real estate developers to push the concept of suburbs as the interstate highway system was developed, was a mistake. (I wouldn't say the interstate highway system was a mistake. It opened up commerce, especially in the West, which the railroads had a stranglehold on. Many consumer products are still priced higher in the West as a throwback to the railroads price gouging based upon the argument that the distance to transport them was so much greater. Today, continued use of that argument to explain price differences is ironic given that so many more modern consumer goods arrive on the West coast from Asia.)

The US needs to begin a dialog about what our cities should look like by the end of this century. Do we want to discourage sleeper suburbs? If so, affordable housing and better-paying jobs are a necessity as well as a serious dialog about diversifying the location of industry and other jobs to less congested areas. We also have to get out of the national mindset that bigger houses are better and have higher resale.

I worry that continuous over crowding will result in even less civility among people. Everyone these days seems to be a walking time bomb ready to go off in a rage at the slightest provocation. It's extremely sad to see.

dynodonn 

Looking at the photo, I wouldn't be that close the the curb to begin with, nothing but a debris field anyway. In this particular incident, I'm with CB, toast to the illegally parked car, roast to the road maintenance crew.

CB HI

NO appreciation for new riders and those that ride at night.

TRaffic Jammer

well.....

cudak888 

Why did it take a lecture in quantum physics in order to prove your point? This illuminating point is more then obvious without the assistance of the thesis.

-Kurt

High Roller

Exactly. Yet another example of bike lanes encouraging both motorists and cyclists to violate logical destination positioning at intersections. And taking a rest break in operational road space, regardless of how it is painted, goes beyond stupid.

TRaffic Jammer

I am working on how to proving my theory that current "bike" laws actually contribute directly to the deaths of cyclists.
The idea in the above post is one of the pillars, the whole "stay-right' stupidness with no driver/biker interaction training for either group is negligence on a systemic level.

Wanderer

With all of the ticket writing cops in NYC, for bicycles on sidewalks, I don't see any other course of action, as long as bicycles can still get thru the bike lanes.....

danarnold

'And instead of going when the light turned green, "I stayed there an extra turn of the light because I was frustrated and fuming... I was trying to calm myself and have a drink on a hot day." '

End of story. Cyclist wrong, on several levels. He later admitted he was wrong. He was colossally wrong.

As others have said, his behavior in remaining for an extra cycle of the light did not justify an assault, but it did justify him being bodily removed from obstructing traffic.

He did none of us any favors by abusing the bike lane. We are all better off if we obey the rules of the road AND ride with consideration for other vehicles. I believe in and do ride aggressively in traffic, but it is not in our interest as cyclists to be rude or insensitive as we ride. Aggressive riding is only justified by promoting our safety. The behavior of this cyclist jeopardizes all of us who brave traffic by promoting road rage.

CB HI

Good to know that it is OK for me to physically eject you off the bike lane if I want to pass you.

hairnet

Uhh, dude... where's my bike lane?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hcO3m_c_jM

danarnold

A. YOU wouldn't be able to do it.

B. NO one said it was ok to 'eject' someone to pass. The issue was about someone purposefully and unlawfully obstructing traffic. Anyone so obstructing traffic, may be forcefully removed, not assaulted.

C. You are a moron.

CB HI

Please do show us that law.

The motorist was illegally driving in the bike lane. The cyclist was legally in the bike lane and did not likely impede any other legal cyclist in the lane.

You sound like a troll!

CB HI

OH, you are the guy that paid $40 for a presta adapter:
https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycling/568574-air-compressor-tire-inflation.html

And you go around calling other BF members, morons?
https://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.p...&postcount=919

SingingSabre 

I almost got nailed by someone doing just that a few years ago. Good thing I have opera training, as my yelling sure got her to pay attention!

tallard

+1

Pepper Grinder

It's funny, because while "stay out of the bike lane, motorists" is the rule in NY, here in California we require drivers to merge into the bike lane prior to making a right-hand turn.

California Vehicle Code 21717. Whenever it is necessary for the driver of a motor vehicle to cross a bicycle lane that is adjacent to his lane of travel to make a turn, the driver shall drive the motor vehicle into the bicycle lane prior to making the turn and shall make the turn pursuant to Section 22100.

I personally think the California way is the better way, since having cars merge into the bike lane before a turn makes it impossible to right hook since motorists are never turning across the bike lane, they're turning from it.

danarnold

You're reading the right authors so there' hope for you. Now you just have to work on comprehension.

nelson249

Like CB HI I do have reservations about the assertion that the cyclist being 'bodily removed'. A police officer may be justified in asking the cyclist to move along if he was sitting in traffic but no one else has the right or the authority to do so. It is difficult to discern the difference between an assault and someone being 'removed' from the context of your post.

But your point is taken about having regard for other road users.

GodsBassist

I just don't understand how he was wrong. He wasn't obstructing traffic. The cars aren't supposed to use the bike lane as a right turn lane. If there had been a cyclist coming up behind him and he had been blocking the cyclist, then that would be a different story. Should we blame pedestrians for disallowing cars to use the sidewalk as a turn lane also?

If this kind of behavior is expected at this light (using the bike lane as a turn lane) to such an extent that people get angry when they can't do it, then it would seem to me that the police would be able to write tickets for days.

gcottay

I take an approach exactly opposite to Mr. DeRespino's. At intersections where doing so can create a right turn lane I move as far left as seems safe while waiting for the light. Why not give right turners a break? If the light is green my approach is similar for my own safety. Moving left discourages right hooks.

In general, I think of bike lanes as effectively ending at intersections except for locations where the lane itself moves left to provide a right turn lane. Putting it another way, my mental lane narrows and moves left.

Using a bike lane to take a rest as lights cycle is just flat stupid. As noted, we have enough problems with poorly designed and abused lanes without creating our own issues.

I hope the attacker enjoys jail time and a long course of anger management.