MD Senate Candidate Hit by SUV
09-23-10, 08:02 AM
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RIP fellow rider.
who's driving HOME at 5:45 AM on a sunday morning? did this household have a worker who works nights?
My speculation: drunk driving home after a late night out, husband gets wife to stand as the driver in this horrifically irresponsible hit and run.
RIP.
who's driving HOME at 5:45 AM on a sunday morning? did this household have a worker who works nights?
My speculation: drunk driving home after a late night out, husband gets wife to stand as the driver in this horrifically irresponsible hit and run.
RIP.
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RIP fellow rider.
who's driving HOME at 5:45 AM on a sunday morning? did this household have a worker who works nights?
My speculation: drunk driving home after a late night out, husband gets wife to stand as the driver in this horrifically irresponsible hit and run.
RIP.
who's driving HOME at 5:45 AM on a sunday morning? did this household have a worker who works nights?
My speculation: drunk driving home after a late night out, husband gets wife to stand as the driver in this horrifically irresponsible hit and run.
RIP.
"What were you doing at that hour?"
"Where had you been?"
"That sure is a big dent. Why didn't you stop to check?"
Can't be too hard.
Are the cops not even a little suspicious?
09-23-10, 08:26 AM
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First, let me say I'm saddened by the loss of another life and offer condolences to those that knew and loved Ms. Pettigrew. Next, it seems to me that one of the real issues we need to confront is that of distracted driving. It doesn't really matter if the distraction is from alcohol use, text messaging, putting on make-up, or reaching to change the CD in the CD player. We all would be much safer if divers recognized and respected that driving should, by necessity, be a solitary act. When you drive that should be the only thing you are doing. I for one would have no problem with vehicles that were lacking cup holders, vanity mirrors, and any number of other "conveniences" that lure drivers into thinking that their cars are an extension of their homes. Yet, our culture seems to find more and more ways to reinforce driving as recreation, entertainment, an extension of some image one wants to create, and numerous other things, all of which lull us into forgetting that what we're doing is a deadly serious thing. I would also welcome mandaotry use of monitors that would require all drivers to verify that they are not intoxicated before the engine could be started. I know that there are those that would scream this is a taking away of individual liberties, but with liberty comes responsibility, something some of us seem to lack in great measure. After spending several weeks in the Netherlands this year, I was pleased to be in a culture where traffic lights are often timed to accomodate cyclist, not drivers, where the number of bikes out number the number of people living there, and where cyclist and drivers treat one another with more respect than I tend to see where I live. I fear it would be a very long uphill battle to shift the way the average American views driving and cycling. Yet, I'm hopeful that change is possible. Perhaps not in my lifetime, but eventually.
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I also think that cars should resemble airplane cockpits more than living rooms. Not in that they should have a million dials, but that they should be clearly a place where a person who is in charge of a deadly weapon goes about the serious business of driving it around safely.
What would people think if they saw into the cockpit of an airplane that they were in, and saw super-plush seats, a DVD player squalking a movie, maybe a couple of kids yelling and grabbing each other's stuff, and the pilot texting? Well, IMO other than during takeoff and landing, EVERY SECOND of driving a car requires more immediate attention than the average second in a pilot's seat. The pilot can easily take his eyes off the instruments for a minute once he's in the air and in the groove. A car driver really shouldn't take their eyes off the road for more than half a second or so.
What would people think if they saw into the cockpit of an airplane that they were in, and saw super-plush seats, a DVD player squalking a movie, maybe a couple of kids yelling and grabbing each other's stuff, and the pilot texting? Well, IMO other than during takeoff and landing, EVERY SECOND of driving a car requires more immediate attention than the average second in a pilot's seat. The pilot can easily take his eyes off the instruments for a minute once he's in the air and in the groove. A car driver really shouldn't take their eyes off the road for more than half a second or so.
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RIP fellow rider.
who's driving HOME at 5:45 AM on a sunday morning? did this household have a worker who works nights?
My speculation: drunk driving home after a late night out, husband gets wife to stand as the driver in this horrifically irresponsible hit and run.
RIP.
who's driving HOME at 5:45 AM on a sunday morning? did this household have a worker who works nights?
My speculation: drunk driving home after a late night out, husband gets wife to stand as the driver in this horrifically irresponsible hit and run.
RIP.
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
09-23-10, 08:44 AM
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Yes, I do, every day (most traffic is doing 60). No problems. I do have 4 taillights, one of them a MagicShine, a truck reflector and a reflective vest. But even back before I put on all this stuff and just had a regular old blinkie, I didn't have any problems.
My opinion is that the driver was so f'd up that she (or he, I half suspect he was the actual driver at the time) would have done the same thing at 5:30 PM.
My opinion is that the driver was so f'd up that she (or he, I half suspect he was the actual driver at the time) would have done the same thing at 5:30 PM.
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09-23-10, 08:53 AM
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You would like to think that any half decent cop would be all over that. There must be inconsistencies and gaps in the story a mile wide.
"What were you doing at that hour?"
"Where had you been?"
"That sure is a big dent. Why didn't you stop to check?"
Can't be too hard.
Are the cops not even a little suspicious?
"What were you doing at that hour?"
"Where had you been?"
"That sure is a big dent. Why didn't you stop to check?"
Can't be too hard.
Are the cops not even a little suspicious?
Clearly, in this case, the driver just wanted a chat with the cops. Killing a cyclist is far easier than going all that way to the local police station.
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09-23-10, 09:38 AM
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Pretty fffing bizarre. In my crazy world - if you hit an object and think it could be under your vehicle - you stop to examine for damage to your vehicle.
This IS ******-bag America. Jeez, I don't believe it.
Yes I meant to say doooosh bag America......
This IS ******-bag America. Jeez, I don't believe it.
Yes I meant to say doooosh bag America......
09-23-10, 09:47 AM
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We were just discussing this here at work, mainly the fact that in most cases, people who kill cyclists walk with tiny fines. And people who drive drunk or just irresponsibly just keep doing it until they kill someone, and then they're "incredibly remorseful, have to live with this the rest of their lives" etc (statement released by their lawyers).
This is the culture of "it's not illegal if you don't get caught." Everyone these days seems to think that the purpose of life is to just take as much as you can from the other meatsacks, with the only limitations being if you get caught doing something illegal, and then the game is to get out of it by acting sorry or misdirecting, buying an expensive lawyer or bribing the cops or whatever you can do.
Empathy is a foreign concept for these people, because they don't think of anything but themselves as being real.
This is the culture of "it's not illegal if you don't get caught." Everyone these days seems to think that the purpose of life is to just take as much as you can from the other meatsacks, with the only limitations being if you get caught doing something illegal, and then the game is to get out of it by acting sorry or misdirecting, buying an expensive lawyer or bribing the cops or whatever you can do.
Empathy is a foreign concept for these people, because they don't think of anything but themselves as being real.
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09-23-10, 10:26 AM
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Remember, this happened in Maryland. Cops here think it's more suspicious if you DON'T hit a cyclist. I mean, if you avoid hitting a cyclist it probably means you're trying to avoid having to talk to the police. Now why would someone want to avoid talking to police? What have they got to hide? Sounds suspicious to me!
Clearly, in this case, the driver just wanted a chat with the cops. Killing a cyclist is far easier than going all that way to the local police station.
Clearly, in this case, the driver just wanted a chat with the cops. Killing a cyclist is far easier than going all that way to the local police station.
09-23-10, 10:29 AM
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1) How do you hit a cyclist and continue down the road as if you just hit a bug with your windshield?
2) The Cadillac Escalade has just over 8 inches of ground clearance. That's about the size of a typical bike seat. How do you drag a bike home under the car without hearing the painful grinding of metal on cement and seeing the subsequest sparks from the bike being dragged under the car?
3) Why are police so concerned if Pettigrew had reflective clothing on? We would think they would be more concerned as to why Christy R. Littleford left the scene of the hit and run?
4) Why did it take Christy R. Littleford one hour to call police after she struck Pettigrew?
5) How long was it before EMS services were called to the scene of the hit and run. And, could have timely and immediate medical care saved Pettigrew's life?
6) Why has Christy R. Littleford (a full three days after accident) not been charged with any offence?
7) Why is it that cyclist are treated as second class citizens in the United States?
8) Why is that when riding a bike your life has so little value when you get hit by a car?
In many parts of this country police no longer have any discretion when answering a domestic violence call. In other words, police (by law) are mandated to arrest both parties in the case.
This is because for far too long women (mostly) were abused by their husbands, partners, and boy friends and forgot (willingly or otherwise) about the abuse when police were called to the home.
These laws are specifically designed to protect the person who is the subject of the abuse.
In our opinion we think it is high time that same law applies to any car vs. bike altercation...if only for the safety of the cyclist because for far too long the laws and the police of this land seem to presume the cyclist guilty...even when the driver leaves the scene of the accident and drags the evidence of their tragic action home under the car with them.
2) The Cadillac Escalade has just over 8 inches of ground clearance. That's about the size of a typical bike seat. How do you drag a bike home under the car without hearing the painful grinding of metal on cement and seeing the subsequest sparks from the bike being dragged under the car?
3) Why are police so concerned if Pettigrew had reflective clothing on? We would think they would be more concerned as to why Christy R. Littleford left the scene of the hit and run?
4) Why did it take Christy R. Littleford one hour to call police after she struck Pettigrew?
5) How long was it before EMS services were called to the scene of the hit and run. And, could have timely and immediate medical care saved Pettigrew's life?
6) Why has Christy R. Littleford (a full three days after accident) not been charged with any offence?
7) Why is it that cyclist are treated as second class citizens in the United States?
8) Why is that when riding a bike your life has so little value when you get hit by a car?
In many parts of this country police no longer have any discretion when answering a domestic violence call. In other words, police (by law) are mandated to arrest both parties in the case.
This is because for far too long women (mostly) were abused by their husbands, partners, and boy friends and forgot (willingly or otherwise) about the abuse when police were called to the home.
These laws are specifically designed to protect the person who is the subject of the abuse.
In our opinion we think it is high time that same law applies to any car vs. bike altercation...if only for the safety of the cyclist because for far too long the laws and the police of this land seem to presume the cyclist guilty...even when the driver leaves the scene of the accident and drags the evidence of their tragic action home under the car with them.
https://www.tflcar.com/2010/09/hit-an...-accident.html
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Actually, there are no "next 2000" on this list. It is annual comparison of the largest cities in America. If they put all the towns in, the top 500 towns would be small towns of 50 people with no accidents all year and the bottom 500 would be very small towns with a few accidents. All the cities in this list are over 100,000 people.
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Distractions often vanish when somebody gets scared, at least for a while. Drunks might wake up a bit -- but they're still drunk.
Distracted people don't usually make the poor decisions that drunks make.
Drunkenness is easier to for the police to prove than merely being distracted.
etc.
Ultimately, do what you can to stop drunk driving and distracted driving, but don't try to marginalize drunk driving by calling it a form of distracted driving.
09-23-10, 12:31 PM
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Sounds like a good theory, but drunk driving and distracted driving really are very different beasts, even if the end result (near misses, crashes, injuries, etc.) may be the same.
Distractions often vanish when somebody gets scared, at least for a while. Drunks might wake up a bit -- but they're still drunk.
Distracted people don't usually make the poor decisions that drunks make.
Drunkenness is easier to for the police to prove than merely being distracted.
etc.
Ultimately, do what you can to stop drunk driving and distracted driving, but don't try to marginalize drunk driving by calling it a form of distracted driving.
Distractions often vanish when somebody gets scared, at least for a while. Drunks might wake up a bit -- but they're still drunk.
Distracted people don't usually make the poor decisions that drunks make.
Drunkenness is easier to for the police to prove than merely being distracted.
etc.
Ultimately, do what you can to stop drunk driving and distracted driving, but don't try to marginalize drunk driving by calling it a form of distracted driving.
I don't believe I did marginalize it in any way. I think I simply expanded the discussion to include more than a singular cause of accidents.
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09-23-10, 03:49 PM
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I'm seeing shades of BF in these quotes
https://www.wtop.com/?nid=25&sid=2060525
WASHINGTON -- The death of a Prince George's County cyclist on Tuesday has brought greater awareness to laws that have allowed drivers who inadvertently kill pedestrians to walk away with only minor penalties.
Prince Georges County State's Attorney Glen Ivey went to Annapolis in March to petition for change to Maryland's vehicular manslaughter laws.
"One of the toughest parts of our jobs is having to explain to families why the killer in the car is going to be able to walk away, or in some cases drive away, with nothing more than traffic tickets," he said.
Shane Farthing, of the Washington Area Bicyclists Association, emphasized that drivers are handling potentially lethal machines.
"It is your responsibility," he said. "If you hit someone, the fact that you didn't see them is not an excuse."
"One of the toughest parts of our jobs is having to explain to families why the killer in the car is going to be able to walk away, or in some cases drive away, with nothing more than traffic tickets," he said.
Shane Farthing, of the Washington Area Bicyclists Association, emphasized that drivers are handling potentially lethal machines.
"It is your responsibility," he said. "If you hit someone, the fact that you didn't see them is not an excuse."
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One more bit of data on this story --
https://link.brightcove.com/services/...d=614725200001
A witness has come forward who saw the SUV driving with sparks and smoke coming from it.
https://link.brightcove.com/services/...d=614725200001
A witness has come forward who saw the SUV driving with sparks and smoke coming from it.
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I've noticed that if a cyclist is complying with the laws regarding lights there is often a remark about the lack of reflective clothing. I thought I saw something about it too.
I really would like an explanation of how you hit a cyclist and think it's a deer or inanimate object. This leads me to infer that there was a very long period of inattention to the road -- there is some malfeasance on the part of the driver.
I really would like an explanation of how you hit a cyclist and think it's a deer or inanimate object. This leads me to infer that there was a very long period of inattention to the road -- there is some malfeasance on the part of the driver.
That is how you could. The damage to the SUV is to the LEFT hand side of the front of the SUV. The cyclist was right in front of the driver at the time of impact.
I can think of ways that could happen that was not the drivers fault. I can not thnk of one where they would not know it was a person they hit.
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If it's dark, and you're going fast and you hit something -- you don't know what it is. HOWEVER, most of the time you then stop to figure out what it was, see what damage it did to your car, etc.
HOWEVER, if you're drunk, you may be too impaired to think this is important. Or if you're not allowed to drive for some reason -- drunk, warrants, expired license, etc. -- you may just want to get home so nobody can nail you for that.
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I also think that cars should resemble airplane cockpits more than living rooms. Not in that they should have a million dials, but that they should be clearly a place where a person who is in charge of a deadly weapon goes about the serious business of driving it around safely.
What would people think if they saw into the cockpit of an airplane that they were in, and saw super-plush seats, a DVD player squalking a movie, maybe a couple of kids yelling and grabbing each other's stuff, and the pilot texting? Well, IMO other than during takeoff and landing, EVERY SECOND of driving a car requires more immediate attention than the average second in a pilot's seat. The pilot can easily take his eyes off the instruments for a minute once he's in the air and in the groove. A car driver really shouldn't take their eyes off the road for more than half a second or so.
What would people think if they saw into the cockpit of an airplane that they were in, and saw super-plush seats, a DVD player squalking a movie, maybe a couple of kids yelling and grabbing each other's stuff, and the pilot texting? Well, IMO other than during takeoff and landing, EVERY SECOND of driving a car requires more immediate attention than the average second in a pilot's seat. The pilot can easily take his eyes off the instruments for a minute once he's in the air and in the groove. A car driver really shouldn't take their eyes off the road for more than half a second or so.
Really what many people want in terms of comfort, entertainment and alcohol could be best provided in the context of commuter trains driven by professionals.
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IMO, one of the biggest developments that has made cars less safe is the auto-locking seat belt. Put drivers in 5-point harnesses that pull snug when the engine is started, and kill the engine if the driver's harness is unfastened, and there won't be any more fishing for the cell phone in the passenger floorboard or reaching in the back seat for another beer.