Psychology: Why we don't like cyclists
03-24-14, 01:41 PM
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I cited the link and the direct quote which was:
https://www.mva.maryland.gov/_resources/docs/DL-002.pdf
When being passed by another vehicle, you must
yield to the other vehicle and not increase your
speed.
Pretty sure that implies that they have the right of way. At least in MD. I'm not going to look up every state for you.
If the other vehicle is completing a legal pass then you are going below the speed limit since you are not allowed to exceed to speed limit to complete a pass. I'm only discussing right of way in regards to all drivers obeying the law.
https://www.mva.maryland.gov/_resources/docs/DL-002.pdf
When being passed by another vehicle, you must
yield to the other vehicle and not increase your
speed.
Pretty sure that implies that they have the right of way. At least in MD. I'm not going to look up every state for you.
If the other vehicle is completing a legal pass then you are going below the speed limit since you are not allowed to exceed to speed limit to complete a pass. I'm only discussing right of way in regards to all drivers obeying the law.
To elaborate on what you've been saying, driver's first obligation is to avoid collision and yielding as required is just one of the ways to do that. "Having" the right of way just means the other guy is supposed to yield. It does not allow anyone to insist on it if the other guy refuses to yield.
03-24-14, 02:06 PM
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I suggest that such handicapped people think seriously of not riding in the street for their own safety.
03-24-14, 02:08 PM
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How often have you ever seen that panic stop scenario play out? And I don't mean how many times you read about it on some internet blurb. If you say more than once or twice I will find that hard to believe.
I have never seen it in 60 years of riding in and out of cities in both the U.S. and overseas. Of course I am not dreaming about how bad every other cyclist is if they don't ride like me, or look like me.
I have never seen it in 60 years of riding in and out of cities in both the U.S. and overseas. Of course I am not dreaming about how bad every other cyclist is if they don't ride like me, or look like me.
I'm betting if I camped out there I'd see a few incidents.
Not going to bet on if they would be car vrs bike, bike vrs. bike of bike vrs. pedestrian yet. (assuming nothing has change over the years).
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As the operator of a vehicle, the law never gives ME right of way over you, it only determines when I must yield it to you.
If you were passing me, I may not through action or inaction prevent you from safely completing your pass, that would be a failure to yield. Not all states specifically use the word "yield", but whatever the wording, the principal is the same.
03-24-14, 02:29 PM
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Maybe this will make more sense to you.
As the operator of a vehicle, the law never gives ME right of way over you, it only determines when I must yield it to you.
If you were passing me, I may not through action or inaction prevent you from safely completing your pass, that would be a failure to yield. Not all states specifically use the word "yield", but whatever the wording, the principal is the same.
As the operator of a vehicle, the law never gives ME right of way over you, it only determines when I must yield it to you.
If you were passing me, I may not through action or inaction prevent you from safely completing your pass, that would be a failure to yield. Not all states specifically use the word "yield", but whatever the wording, the principal is the same.
this is hair splitting. if one is required to yield the right of way, then someone else has it. you either have the right of way to proceed, or you don't. if i turn left at a 4-way stop in front of someone going straight, he has the right of way and i don't. if he hits me, it's my fault (unless he goes out his way to speed up to make it happen).
the concept of legal obligation to mitigate damages is clear: we are obligated to behave in a manner to avoid an incident if able to do so. so, that is the real meat on the bone of the maryland drivers handbook statement regarding not speeding up to prevent a motorist from merging after a pass.
however, i will disagree still with the point above: if i'm going the speed limit and driver B is passing me with oncoming traffic, i maintain i do not have the responsibility to slow down to let him in. i would be smart to do so if the oncoming was close, but i'm not obligated to accommodate him if i'm going the speed limit. THAT particular 'inaction' is a far world different than the 'action' to speed up to block him out. THAT is the meat of the maryland regulation. one is not required to "YIELD"; one is only required to NOT speed up as to preclude the merge.
so, different issues here as to driver behavior expected to prevent carnage vs. predictable behavior in typical circumstances.
03-24-14, 02:36 PM
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this is hair splitting. if one is required to yield the right of way, then someone else has it. you either have the right of way to proceed, or you don't. if i turn left at a 4-way stop in front of someone going straight, he has the right of way and i don't. if he hits me, it's my fault (unless he goes out his way to speed up to make it happen).
the concept of legal obligation to mitigate damages is clear: we are obligated to behave in a manner to avoid an incident if able to do so. so, that is the real meat on the bone of the maryland drivers handbook statement regarding not speeding up to prevent a motorist from merging after a pass.
however, i will disagree still with the point above: if i'm going the speed limit and driver B is passing me with oncoming traffic, i maintain i do not have the responsibility to slow down to let him in. i would be smart to do so if the oncoming was close, but i'm not obligated to accommodate him if i'm going the speed limit. THAT particular 'inaction' is a far world different than the 'action' to speed up to block him out. THAT is the meat of the maryland regulation. one is not required to "YIELD"; one is only required to NOT speed up as to preclude the merge.
so, different issues here as to driver behavior expected to prevent carnage vs. predictable behavior in typical circumstances.
the concept of legal obligation to mitigate damages is clear: we are obligated to behave in a manner to avoid an incident if able to do so. so, that is the real meat on the bone of the maryland drivers handbook statement regarding not speeding up to prevent a motorist from merging after a pass.
however, i will disagree still with the point above: if i'm going the speed limit and driver B is passing me with oncoming traffic, i maintain i do not have the responsibility to slow down to let him in. i would be smart to do so if the oncoming was close, but i'm not obligated to accommodate him if i'm going the speed limit. THAT particular 'inaction' is a far world different than the 'action' to speed up to block him out. THAT is the meat of the maryland regulation. one is not required to "YIELD"; one is only required to NOT speed up as to preclude the merge.
so, different issues here as to driver behavior expected to prevent carnage vs. predictable behavior in typical circumstances.
03-24-14, 02:51 PM
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so, you're saying i would be required to slow down to let him merge back in ? sorry, not buying it. other than agreeing that the passed car must not speed up to prevent the passed car's merge, you're putting the responsibility for the passing car's behavior on the driver of the passed car. if the passing car is making an unsafe (or inadvisable) pass (i.e., with approaching traffic), how can you suggest that the passed car is responsible for the safe behavior/outcome of the passing car ? what if the passing car comes blowing by out of nowhere, and wants to swerve right in front of the passed car (who has minimal safe distance to the car in front...), how can you say that the passed car has the responsibility via "action" or no "inaction" to accommodate the passing car ? you move out of the lane (on a 2-lane) to pass someone, you had better be able to do it legally and safely. pull a dumb move and start a pass one can't finish safely ? that's on him, not me. everyone is responssible for their actions (at least, in the world i live in), and not for the other guys'.....
03-24-14, 03:02 PM
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so, you're saying i would be required to slow down to let him merge back in ? sorry, not buying it. other than agreeing that the passed car must not speed up to prevent the passed car's merge, you're putting the responsibility for the passing car's behavior on the driver of the passed car. if the passing car is making an unsafe (or inadvisable) pass (i.e., with approaching traffic), how can you suggest that the passed car is responsible for the safe behavior/outcome of the passing car ? what if the passing car comes blowing by out of nowhere, and wants to swerve right in front of the passed car (who has minimal safe distance to the car in front...), how can you say that the passed car has the responsibility via "action" or no "inaction" to accommodate the passing car ? you move out of the lane (on a 2-lane) to pass someone, you had better be able to do it legally and safely. pull a dumb move and start a pass one can't finish safely ? that's on him, not me. everyone is responssible for their actions (at least, in the world i live in), and not for the other guys'.....
So, what do you think the outcome of a head on collision directly to your left is going to be? Personally, I would be yielding to the passing car regardless of how I feel about their choice in passing.
03-24-14, 03:05 PM
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Our primary responsibility is to be safe, no rule or law obligates us to do something unsafe, or allows us to do something unsafe, we must yield to any hazard by default.
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adablduya is willing to allow the innocent oncoming driver in this scenario to be in a life threatening accident and would feel absolved of all guilt since they feel the passing car was foolish in attempting a pass. They would rather another person die than slow down for a moment and let someone else merge into their lane. Human life be damned, adablduya has to be somewhere.
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Maritime rules are much clearer. Depending on the circumstances, a ship either has the right of way, or must yield. There's no gray area in between. OTOH- having the right of way isn't a free pass, ships must maintain course and speed, so the burdened (must yield) ship can safely execute a maneuver to avoid collision.
It's similar on the road, but we're not as strict about the obligation to maintain course and speed. In any case, in the case of passing, he passing vehicle is burdened with the responsibility to pass only when there's an opportunity to do safely. But the passed vehicle, cannot act in such a way as to prevent the passing vehicle from completing the maneuver safely.
Trying to write this in legal language might be cumbersome, but the principle is easy to understand, and I doubt there's a driver anywhere who doesn't get it.
It's similar on the road, but we're not as strict about the obligation to maintain course and speed. In any case, in the case of passing, he passing vehicle is burdened with the responsibility to pass only when there's an opportunity to do safely. But the passed vehicle, cannot act in such a way as to prevent the passing vehicle from completing the maneuver safely.
Trying to write this in legal language might be cumbersome, but the principle is easy to understand, and I doubt there's a driver anywhere who doesn't get it.
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Maritime rules are much clearer. Depending on the circumstances, a ship either has the right of way, or must yield. There's no gray area in between. OTOH- having the right of way isn't a free pass, ships must maintain course and speed, so the burdened (must yield) ship can safely execute a maneuver to avoid collision.
It's similar on the road, but we're not as strict about the obligation to maintain course and speed. In any case, in the case of passing, he passing vehicle is burdened with the responsibility to pass only when there's an opportunity to do safely. But the passed vehicle, cannot act in such a way as to prevent the passing vehicle from completing the maneuver safely.
Trying to write this in legal language might be cumbersome, but the principle is easy to understand, and I doubt there's a driver anywhere who doesn't get it.
It's similar on the road, but we're not as strict about the obligation to maintain course and speed. In any case, in the case of passing, he passing vehicle is burdened with the responsibility to pass only when there's an opportunity to do safely. But the passed vehicle, cannot act in such a way as to prevent the passing vehicle from completing the maneuver safely.
Trying to write this in legal language might be cumbersome, but the principle is easy to understand, and I doubt there's a driver anywhere who doesn't get it.
03-24-14, 05:24 PM
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adablduya is willing to allow the innocent oncoming driver in this scenario to be in a life threatening accident and would feel absolved of all guilt since they feel the passing car was foolish in attempting a pass. They would rather another person die than slow down for a moment and let someone else merge into their lane. Human life be damned, adablduya has to be somewhere.
When being passed by another vehicle, you must yield to the other vehicle and not increase your speed.
You may not pass:
• where there is a no-passing zone;
• where the solid yellow line is on your side of
the center of the roadway;
• where there are double solid yellow lines;
• when passing will interfere with the safe
operation of oncoming vehicles;
• when approaching the top of the hill or on a
curve and you do not have a sufficiently clear
view ahead;
• when crossing or within 100 feet of an
intersection or railroad grade crossing;
• when the view is obstructed upon approaching within 100 feet of any bridge,
elevated roadway, or tunnel;
• on the shoulder of the highway either to the
right or to the left and not increase your speed.
"you must yield to the other vehicle". this seems very vague in context. so, if you take this as it reads, as soon as the overtaken vehicle is passed, he must surrender his space in the lane to the overtaking vehicle? meaning, he should expect to immediately slow down to yield this space ? you have to admit that sounds ridiculous. it seems to me the intent of the language is to not speed up to restrict passage, not to create opportunity for it.
note the bold line where oncoming traffic is referenced. see that?
so, yeah, i'm a heartless bastard when it comes to feeling no guilt that the village idiot who chose to pass where there was no space to do so, and oh, yes, with oncoming traffic, creates a dangerous situation. you can be sure that any maneuver i might attempt will be best for me and my passengers, and not the idiot. the guy in the oncoming is simply unfortunate for being in the wrong place with an idiot coming at him.
i provided very specific what-ifs, none of which you addressed other than than quote PART of a state driver manual. when you have some inquisitive and independent thoughts of your own, let me know.
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Standard line was "right of way doesn't matter if he can't stop".
Common sense has to rule in the end.
At the other end of the spectrum, god help anybody on a sailboard who dared cross our path, because the skipper wouldn't.
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03-24-14, 06:03 PM
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And vice versa.
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"you must yield to the other vehicle". this seems very vague in context. so, if you take this as it reads, as soon as the overtaken vehicle is passed, he must surrender his space in the lane to the overtaking vehicle? meaning, he should expect to immediately slow down to yield this space ? you have to admit that sounds ridiculous. it seems to me the intent of the language is to not speed up to restrict passage, not to create opportunity for it.
i provided very specific what-ifs, none of which you addressed other than than quote PART of a state driver manual. when you have some inquisitive and independent thoughts of your own, let me know.
i provided very specific what-ifs, none of which you addressed other than than quote PART of a state driver manual. when you have some inquisitive and independent thoughts of your own, let me know.
Every conceivable "what-if" has the same answer, do whatever is necessary to be safe without creating danger for others. If a pass is safe and well executed, do nothing. If a pass is reckless or done poorly, yield to avoid a collision. Just use common scene.
Using a public road is supposed to be a cooperative activity to the benefit of all users, not a turf war for the survival of the fittest.
03-24-14, 11:05 PM
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For some reason you wanted examples that have the word yield in them, and I provided them.
No matter how its worded, the message is clear, you're not supposed to interfere with a passing vehicle. Can you show any statute that allows intentionally interfering with or obstructing another road user?
Once again, "yielding" isn't any specific action.
No matter how its worded, the message is clear, you're not supposed to interfere with a passing vehicle. Can you show any statute that allows intentionally interfering with or obstructing another road user?
Once again, "yielding" isn't any specific action.
By your claimed standard yielding = "you're not supposed to interfere with", then the passing vehicle must yield to the vehicle being passed because the passing vehicle is not supposed to interfere with the vehicle being passed. Your use of the word yield is improper in this case and that is why you are confused with your claims of people not knowing your claimed yielding in the passing laws.
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I asked for passing laws using the word yield and even after I pointed out that the one passing law you quoted did not use the word yield and that the other law was a slow moving vehicle law, you remain clueless that you have not supported your claims.
By your claimed standard yielding = "you're not supposed to interfere with", then the passing vehicle must yield to the vehicle being passed because the passing vehicle is not supposed to interfere with the vehicle being passed. Your use of the word yield is improper in this case and that is why you are confused with your claims of people not knowing your claimed yielding in the passing laws.
By your claimed standard yielding = "you're not supposed to interfere with", then the passing vehicle must yield to the vehicle being passed because the passing vehicle is not supposed to interfere with the vehicle being passed. Your use of the word yield is improper in this case and that is why you are confused with your claims of people not knowing your claimed yielding in the passing laws.
03-24-14, 11:20 PM
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In the context of traffic laws, yield means to slow or stop to allow another vehicle to proceed ahead of you. That action is expressing forbidden in passing laws.
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03-24-14, 11:52 PM
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That is what you get with a quick google search, crap. Driver manuals are all to often wrong about the law, as is Maryland's in this case.
The actual Maryland Transportation Code is not much better but normal passing to the left does not allow what you claim:
This part makes little sense and sounds like an collision about to happen.
Again, give way is not defined as yield in traffic law. And in this law giving way is just asking for a collision.
The actual Maryland Transportation Code is not much better but normal passing to the left does not allow what you claim:
§21–303.
(a) Except as otherwise provided in this subtitle, this section governs the overtaking and passing of vehicles going in the same direction.
(b) The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle that is going in the same direction shall pass to the left of the overtaken vehicle at a safe distance.
(c) The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle that is going in the same direction, until safely clear of the overtaken vehicle, may not drive any part of his vehicle directly in front of the overtaken vehicle.
(d) Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle, on audible signal, shall give way to the right in favor of the overtaking vehicle.
(e) Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle, until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle, may not increase the speed of his vehicle.
(a) Except as otherwise provided in this subtitle, this section governs the overtaking and passing of vehicles going in the same direction.
(b) The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle that is going in the same direction shall pass to the left of the overtaken vehicle at a safe distance.
(c) The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle that is going in the same direction, until safely clear of the overtaken vehicle, may not drive any part of his vehicle directly in front of the overtaken vehicle.
(d) Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle, on audible signal, shall give way to the right in favor of the overtaking vehicle.
(e) Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle, until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle, may not increase the speed of his vehicle.
Again, give way is not defined as yield in traffic law. And in this law giving way is just asking for a collision.
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03-24-14, 11:56 PM
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Sorry but your attempts to twist law does not make you correct. And you still have not provided a passing law that uses the word "yield".
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03-25-14, 12:07 AM
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And when the passing vehicle slows down to avoid the head on collision and you slow down at the same time, you failed to maintain your speed and YOU caused the collision and may be ticketed. Some drivers have found this out the hard way in court. The passed vehicles duty is not to yield but to maintain his speed and lane.
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From New york state law article 25,
S 1122. Overtaking a vehicle on the left. The following rules shall govern the overtaking and passing of vehicles proceeding in the same direction, subject to those limitations, exceptions, and special rules hereinafter stated: (a) The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction shall pass to the left thereof at a safe distance and shall not again drive to the right side of the roadway until safely clear of the overtaken vehicle. (b) Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle shall give way to the right in favor of the overtaking vehicle on audible signal and shall not increase the speed of his vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle.
The legal definition of "give way" To is to slow down or stop if necessary to avoid a collision and to wait until it is safe to proceed.
"Give way" and yield are interchangeable having the same meaning, regardless of which a state chooses to use, it doesn't change the intent of the law.
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[TD]While passing on left, interfered with safe operation of oncoming vehicle [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1126[/TD]
[TD](a) [/TD]
[TD]Drove left of pavement markings [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
[TD]1127[/TD]
[TD](a)[/TD]
[TD]Wrong way on one-way street [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1128[/TD]
[TD] (a)[/TD]
[TD]Moved from lane unsafely [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
[TD]1128[/TD]
[TD](c)[/TD]
[TD]Failed to use designated lane [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1128[/TD]
[TD](d) [/TD]
[TD]Drove across hazardous markings [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
[TD]1129[/TD]
[TD](a)[/TD]
[TD]Following too closely [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1129[/TD]
[TD](b)[/TD]
[TD]Failed to leave sufficient space [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
[TD]1129[/TD]
[TD] (c)[/TD]
[TD]Failed to leave sufficient space (motorcade, except funerals) [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1130[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Drove across mall/median [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
[TD]1130[/TD]
[TD] 2[/TD]
[TD]Unauthorized. entry/exit controlled access highway [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1131[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]Drive on shoulder [/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
S 1122. Overtaking a vehicle on the left. The following rules shall govern the overtaking and passing of vehicles proceeding in the same direction, subject to those limitations, exceptions, and special rules hereinafter stated: (a) The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction shall pass to the left thereof at a safe distance and shall not again drive to the right side of the roadway until safely clear of the overtaken vehicle. (b) Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle shall give way to the right in favor of the overtaking vehicle on audible signal and shall not increase the speed of his vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle.
The legal definition of "give way" To is to slow down or stop if necessary to avoid a collision and to wait until it is safe to proceed.
"Give way" and yield are interchangeable having the same meaning, regardless of which a state chooses to use, it doesn't change the intent of the law.
[TABLE]
[TR="class: recommended"]
[TD="colspan: 3"]Traffic Law Violations for Article 25[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: recommend_title"]
[TH]Section[/TH]
[TH]Sub[/TH]
[TH]Description of Violation[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
[TD]1120[/TD]
[TD](a)[/TD]
[TD]Failed to keep right [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1120[/TD]
[TD](b) [/TD]
[TD]Failed to keep right (slow moving vehicle) [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
[TD]1121[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]Failed to yield one-half roadway [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1122[/TD]
[TD](a)[/TD]
[TD]Passed vehicle on right [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
[TD]1122
[/TD]
[TD](b)[/TD]
[TD]Failed to give way when being passed
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1123[/TD]
[TD](b)[/TD]
[TD]Left pavement to pass on right [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
[TD]1124[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]While passing on left, interfered with safe operation of oncoming vehicle [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1126[/TD]
[TD](a) [/TD]
[TD]Drove left of pavement markings [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
[TD]1127[/TD]
[TD](a)[/TD]
[TD]Wrong way on one-way street [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1128[/TD]
[TD] (a)[/TD]
[TD]Moved from lane unsafely [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
[TD]1128[/TD]
[TD](c)[/TD]
[TD]Failed to use designated lane [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1128[/TD]
[TD](d) [/TD]
[TD]Drove across hazardous markings [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
[TD]1129[/TD]
[TD](a)[/TD]
[TD]Following too closely [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1129[/TD]
[TD](b)[/TD]
[TD]Failed to leave sufficient space [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
[TD]1129[/TD]
[TD] (c)[/TD]
[TD]Failed to leave sufficient space (motorcade, except funerals) [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1130[/TD]
[TD]1[/TD]
[TD]Drove across mall/median [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: #FFFFFF"]
[TD]1130[/TD]
[TD] 2[/TD]
[TD]Unauthorized. entry/exit controlled access highway [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1131[/TD]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]Drive on shoulder [/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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Not only can I safely observe my surroundings while pedaling (with no need to slow down unnecessarily from whatever speed I am riding) to look both ways at every intersection, but can also chew gum at the same time. Obviously some of our A&S comrades post that they are unable to handle the strain of such a task safely.
I suggest that such handicapped people think seriously of not riding in the street for their own safety.
I suggest that such handicapped people think seriously of not riding in the street for their own safety.
A Youtube video showed a guy who rode across a parking entrance while a van was turning in. Unfortunately, the timing meant a large black SUV blocked the views of both sides, resulting in the van knocking him down because they were completely unaware of each other.
Legally it was the van's fault, but I guess that will make you happy when you're in hospital with a broken leg or two.