No yelling here and when I see him I'll ask. Let me know where you got your degree in helmetology so he can check out the program and get educated. Share the source of your 'training' so we can all sign up.

I do know that he's a pretty decent serious guy who knows a lot about brain injuries and wants to see fewer of them. Why are you so committed to undermining that goal?

The general IQ displayed on this thread is low enough that I am inclined to think the non-helmet folks have banged their heads a few times and the helmet wearers a few times a little harder. I doubt if any high functioning readers will have their minds changed.

Ben

I didn't have to ask because he made it clear on his own. When I get a chance I'll ask your other questions.

You mean SLT? "If he's like almost every doctor out there, the answer is zero, and what he "knows" about bicycle helmets is primarily the result of medical journals still reprinting the long-disproven 85% figure."

And STL? "Studies show cars get closer to you and are less forgiving when you are wearing a helmet."

(Of course that's not what you meant. And that's a problem.)

-mr. bill

I love the appeal at emotion in yet another variation on "What about the children?" In the real world, however, where facts are more important than emotional statements about heart-broken parents cradling the mangled corpses of their little ones screaming WHY OH GOD WHY!!! to the cold, empty and uncaring heavens, cycling helmets seem to do a pretty poor job in preventing death and severe injury. So Lil' Timmy would probably be just as dead/vegetable-ish but slightly more dorky looking with a helmet.

I wouldn't advise the helmet thread to anyone, but there's a lot written on the subject. I don't necessarily want people to be against helmets, but it would be progress if people stopped to mindlessly repeat that nonsense that bicycle helmets are the Holy Grail of cycling safety.

Does anyone think helmets are the "Holy Grail of cycling safety"? I don't.

Problem is that the anti-helmet crowd seems to ignore experience and common sense and spread conspiracy-worthy nonsense as fact.

At the same time, not many people care what's said on the helmet thread so try not to get your knickers in a knot.

A single, limited, very anecdotal study shows this. It also states that car drivers pass wider and are more forgiving if the cyclist has long hair. I have yet to hear of this as an excuse for the helmetless growing their hair out (if they still can), or buying wigs.

Hurr, hurr, that's a good one right there, that is, never stumbled on anything like this in this thread or the previous versions...

Y'all don't think it's worth it to pony up a premium for a MIPS equipped helmet? How do y'all sleep at night knowing you wear a less-safe helmet when riding...?

You have nothing.

Would your head have hit the ground if you weren't wearing a helmet? You don't know.

Did your helmet protect you from injury? You have no idea, or at least have not provided any relevant data indicating it did.

Did your helmet contribute to being hit in the first place? Unknown.

Most likely, a new cyclist reading my clap trap against helmet believers and who bases their decision regarding helmet use on such online information is an idiot who won't get hurt.

So he's a real renaissance man, eh?: Physician, Physicist, Materials/Safety Engineer...

What does a surgeon's opinion regarding children and their use of helmets have to do with adult use of helmets, as being discussed here?

I don't know about the high functioning part, but my own thoughts about helmets has changed. From using a helmet most of the time under incorrect assumptions regarding helmets and safety, to using a helmet most of the time for more nuanced and correct reasons which were learned here in Helmet Thread.

^^^This is too funny, but nearly an archetypal post for Helmet Thread:

First sentence, condemn someone for their hyperbolic comment used to paint those on one side of this debate with a broad brush.

Second sentence, make a hyperbolic comment to paint those on the other side of this debate with as broad a brush.

Third sentence, after making knicker knotting comments, advises readers not to get knicker knotted.

This is a rather good visualization of what to expect when you post your opinion in ***The Helmet Thread***

Helmets, helmets, helmets.......not sure why this is such a crazy topic. I wear one every time I go out for a ride for a number of reasons.
1) They match my kit
2) I feel safer
3) I can mount my ICE DOT to it for safety if I crash without anybody around
4) I can mount my wireless receiver for handsfree use of my cellphone if needed
5) Did I mention I feel safer?
6) It keeps the sun off of my thinning melon in the summertime
7) It keeps me warmer in the wintertime
8) Most of my riding is between 18 to 20mph so I know that an impact with the ground will be safer with a helmet on - above that speed I cannot give me opinion as I rarely am going that fast except for a few downhills in the flatland that I live in.
9) No one plans to crash or be run into, so why not at least try to protect your brain - tough to ride again after a smashed brain!
10) It sets a good example for the kids in the neighborhood to follow so maybe when they grow up healthy with a protected head they can become leaders in the community to make cycling the preferred method of travel - okay, that's off topic a bit.
11) I feel safer and more confident on my bikes when I wear my helmet.

Happy New Year everyone!! Ride on.......

mcon

Wrong again! As hard as my head hit, it would have hit for sure. The one inch of the helmet would not make that much difference.

Second as hard as my helmet hit, my helmet absolutely saved me from road rash on the side of the head, and maybe a concussion.
And lastly you are wrong about the helmet contributing to the accident, since the PU pulled out without looking to his right.

Actually since you were not there, it is you that has nothing.

So true!

I like

Hmmm----taking one sentence out of context proves little.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Now there is proof that a broken record can play something correctly on occasion, even if inadvertently.

Don't come in here trying to make any sense. It's well known that if you get hit you are going to die, so why wear a helmet? Just don't get hit... Happy New Year!

Only analog.

Digital too, at 12o'clock. And given enough time, even a monkey might get tired of tossing turds and post something correct about bicycle helmets on this thread.

There are some people who post correct things about bicycle helmets on this thread. RydaB just doesn't happen to be one of them.

Understood. I don't want to violate guidelines and point fingers at the monkeys. Intelligent people know who the monkeys are; the monkeys do not.

You are indefatigable.

-mr. bill