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Originally Posted by surreal
I disagree. I've referred to several different sub-genres of cruisers; you have chosen to ignore those posts. Your belief that the term "beach cruisers" means more to younger cyclists may be true, but these are primarily negative connotations, and will not benefit a fledgling sub-forum.

I am not wrong when I tell you that an S&M Dirtbike 24 is a cruiser, but not a Beach cruiser (BMX cruiser)
I am not wrong when I tell you that a custom chop-n-drop or stretched bike is a cruiser, but is not a Beach Cruiser (it's a chopper)
I am not wrong when I tell you that a Huffy Rail is a cruiser, but not a beach cruiser (it's a musclebike.)
I am not wrong when I tell you that a Worksman INB is a cruiser, but it's not a beach cruiser. (It's an industrial bike.)
I am not wrong when I tell you that a CCM Flyte is a cruiser, but it's not a beach cruiser. (It's just awesome.)
I am not wrong when I tell you that a Schwinn Cycletruck is a cruiser, but it's not a beach cruiser. (It's a cargo bike, with a decidedly cruiser flair.)
I am not wrong when I tell you that a Cook Bros Racing 26" is a cruiser, but not a beach cruiser. (It's a 26" BMX cruiser, of the SoCal variant sometimes referred to as a "strandie", which is kind of like the place where beach cruisers and BMX cruisers intersect.)
I am not wrong when I tell you that when some guy takes a cruiser frame, puts a negative-rise stem on it, flips the bars, adds a springer fork, and acts really proud of it online, he's built a cruiser, but not a beach cruiser. (It's a fake boardtrack bike).

I could go on, but why? You've got your mind made up, and you're not wrong, you're just limited. The term "beach cruiser", while popular with ppl who know little or nothing about bikes in general, holds little appeal to the cycling enthusiast, even those of us who actually dig cruisers. Even to those of us who dig beach cruisers! Because, frankly, that's a very limited sub-section of what cruisers have to offer.

If an online discussion forum is going to survive, it will need topics broad enough to discuss.

To put it more simply for you: when something is too small, it makes sense to make it bigger. "Beach Cruisers" is a small topic, and this forum gets small amounts of traffic. Why not broaden the topic, and enlarge the appeal?
See and now just now you're finally making sense, other then the insults part but that's okay I have a fairly thick hide. You're right, a bmx cruiser is a bmx cruiser, they also go in the bmx sub forum.

Typcially chopped and stretched bikes are how you say alternative bikes.. we have a forum for that to.

Huffy Rail a muscle bike eh? Well if you have muscle bikes why the heck aren't you posting them in C&V for us to ohhh and ahhhhh on?

Industrial bike eh? Utility forum...

Last I checked CCM's belonged in C&V don't they?

Cargo bikes in my mind also slide into utility btw.

So that leaves us with the strandie, which I'm not familar with but by the sounds of it the first one on your list that doesn't have a forum home if we play by how you want to define the "beach cruiser" "cruiser" forum thing. Never heard of a boardtrack bike, I'll definitely be looking that one up though even though I suspect I know the style.

And if you know all this stuff, why aren't you writing a thread up on the different types and styles and what differentiates them eh? Calling me limited because I disagree with you though... I'm sure I could berate you on a few subjects too but that doesn't mean I'm going to. I'm trying to make it so this forum can get all the attention it can get.. you might note I'm the author of the show me your cruiser thread because I was stoked this forum finally came into being.
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Oh I guess I must apologize for your misquote of the article you referenced.. I had the gall to assume you were quoting directly and took you at face value rather than digging through the article myself.. my bad I'll remember that one.
Why I answered the way I did

Sorry that you quoted it as saying synonymously rather than also known as, that left the window open for "similar" You haven't provided anything yourself.. and only just now has Surreal begun to actually support his own argument well, which I will be replying to shortly.
Look man, I'm not trying to pull a fast one on you here. I'm just supporting surreal's original premise, which you are attacking with a remarkable amount of disdain for some reason, and I believe that attack is unwarranted. I addressed your AKA reference with a comparative example. Sorry if I didn't post it to your satisfaction, but I think I made my point. Now will you do me the courtesy of answering my question: If "beach cruiser" is the common term, why do the manufacturers identify the category as "cruisers"?
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Originally Posted by Brennan
Look man, I'm not trying to pull a fast one on you here. I'm just supporting surreal's original premise, which you are attacking with a remarkable amount of disdain for some reason, and I believe that attack is unwarranted. I addressed your AKA reference with a comparative example. Sorry if I didn't post it to your satisfaction, but I think I made my point. Now will you do me the courtesy of answering my question: If "beach cruiser" is the common term, why do the manufacturers identify the category as "cruisers"?
I'll be glad to but first I have some previous questions for you

So, can I ask you guys a question without you going further bat**** on me? Here goes.. as Brennan admits the term beach cruiser entered regular cannon in the 1970's and has become an overall catch all term for "cruisers" as you two prefer they be called, so here's the question. If this is an accepted common interchangeable set of terms, cruiser and beach cruiser, and has also become catch all.. why are you two arguing with me over this when you could be promoting this forum, posting how to's, trying to get members from the aforementioned sites to participate here instead?

An actual answer to this one would be nice too:
So let's get at the meat of it, in your mind the term is cruiser, in brennan's mind the term is cruiser, and you've also got other supporters here of the same opinion obviously as expressed in this thread. Now let me ask you this.. what do you think the majority of our fellow cyclists call them? Especially anyone born 1970 or later (yourself as an obvious exception as you stated you are indeed 36). My money's on beach cruiser, the trend in my experience is this the catch all has become beach cruiser, you can end up with a 30's-60's fat tire cruiser (like the one whichever one of you linked in this thread), and guess what the average persons gonna say? Nice beach cruiser. Do you guys understand what I'm saying?

Instead of this dance around it...
That's hard to quantify, isn't it? I will say that I've lived in coastal California my entire life and I don't hear "beach cruiser" thrown around much. "Cruiser" is the common term round these parts.

One last question: Why when you wrapped the statement in quotations which is usually intended to imply a direct quotation, did you change the wording?

I find it very hard to give you the benefit of the doubt as my previous experiences with people posting in the way you have is that they are trolls. If you actually answer me without the BS I'll be glad to answer you.
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So, can I ask you guys a question without you going further bat**** on me?
Seriously dude, I only see one person going bat**** in here, and it's not me or surreal. I've already addressed the points you raised. Won't go further until you answer mine.
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RaleighSport, I really don't think I've insulted you. Saying that you're "limited" is not an insult; you are, in fact, advocating that we limit this forum to beach cruisers, while I am hoping we can broaden it. Two different approaches, sure, but it's not an insult to point out where we differ, is it?

Your ideas about where the various "other" cruisers would go makes some sense, but there are some issues. If we're talking about a CCM Flyer or Club Racer, the C&V guys would adore it. But a Flyte or even that moto-style bike that 65er recently posted are cruisers. Yes, they are classic and vintage in the real-world sense of those terms, but they're cruisers. And C&V doesn't show a lot of love for the cruisers. Some of y'all do, but maybe they can hang out in the Cruisers forum as well....

If I really but a 1950s-era Schwinn Cycle truck (or even my own late-model Worksman LGB, once I finish it) in the Utility/Cargo forum, they would possibly think it was cool, but they'd likely dis it as an actual cargo bike b/c it's like 80lbs, from the 50s, with OPCs: in short, it's a cruiser. And something like an INB or a husky? I can guarantee you that those brands have been mentioned on this forum more times than they have on the utility forum. Why? Because most industrial bikes are cruisers to a T, with all the hallmarks mentioned in that Wikipedia article we've quoted so much today.

If I put a Laguna or a CBR or a Bassett's in the BMX forum here, they'd never stop laughing, and wouldn't recognize these BMX cruisers as BMX bikes.

The alternative, utililty/cargo, and even the BMX forums are struggling. As I type this, there are 6 ppl viewing the alt and the ute forums, and 16 viewing the BMX forum. For comparison, we got 199 on CV, 284 on B.Mechs, and 296 on the Road forum. I think some of these less-busy forums need to be reassessed, b/c their original intent was too narrow from the get-go. With the Beach Cruiser forum still in its infancy, it may not be too late to broaden its appeal a bit and (hopefully) build something.
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PS- to answer your question: While I understand that roadies/modern mtb folks/non-cycling ppl/etc might view the terms as being interchangeable, I believe that actual cruiser ppl-- the sort of ppl who build and own and study cruisers-- do not feel that these are interchangeable. I feel that the sort of ppl who might actually post here see a very obvious distinction between the two.

And that may not apply to all of us, but it clearly does apply to some. And to those who don't see a distinction, they'd theoretically come on here anyway, right?
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Originally Posted by Brennan
Seriously dude, I only see one person going bat**** in here, and it's not me or surreal. I've already addressed the points you raised. Won't go further until you answer mine.
When you answer me I'll answer you.. you've been splitting hairs and using semantics and misquoting too much for me offer the olive branch first.

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RaleighSport, I really don't think I've insulted you. Saying that you're "limited" is not an insult; you are, in fact, advocating that we limit this forum to beach cruisers, while I am hoping we can broaden it. Two different approaches, sure, but it's not an insult to point out where we differ, is it?

Your ideas about where the various "other" cruisers would go makes some sense, but there are some issues. If we're talking about a CCM Flyer or Club Racer, the C&V guys would adore it. But a Flyte or even that moto-style bike that 65er recently posted are cruisers. Yes, they are classic and vintage in the real-world sense of those terms, but they're cruisers. And C&V doesn't show a lot of love for the cruisers. Some of y'all do, but maybe they can hang out in the Cruisers forum as well....

If I really but a 1950s-era Schwinn Cycle truck (or even my own late-model Worksman LGB, once I finish it) in the Utility/Cargo forum, they would possibly think it was cool, but they'd likely dis it as an actual cargo bike b/c it's like 80lbs, from the 50s, with OPCs: in short, it's a cruiser. And something like an INB or a husky? I can guarantee you that those brands have been mentioned on this forum more times than they have on the utility forum. Why? Because most industrial bikes are cruisers to a T, with all the hallmarks mentioned in that Wikipedia article we've quoted so much today.

If I put a Laguna or a CBR or a Bassett's in the BMX forum here, they'd never stop laughing, and wouldn't recognize these BMX cruisers as BMX bikes.

The alternative, utililty/cargo, and even the BMX forums are struggling. As I type this, there are 6 ppl viewing the alt and the ute forums, and 16 viewing the BMX forum. For comparison, we got 199 on CV, 284 on B.Mechs, and 296 on the Road forum. I think some of these less-busy forums need to be reassessed, b/c their original intent was too narrow from the get-go. With the Beach Cruiser forum still in its infancy, it may not be too late to broaden its appeal a bit and (hopefully) build something.
So you say as much as those bikes do actually belong in C&V, but because some people won't show love for them they shouldn't go there? I don't know what your beef is with the C&V forum but seriously guy you'd make a great resource there just like 65er is, he's also a huge hit over in SS/FG. And yes the way you infer "limited" is insulting, you don't have an inkling of the level of bike knowledge I actually have just like I don't about you, understand? So you don't want to post the bikes in their forums because you're worried people will laugh or poke fun? Given what I've seen in this thread I don't think you'll need to worry about that.
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Originally Posted by surreal
PS- to answer your question: While I understand that roadies/modern mtb folks/non-cycling ppl/etc might view the terms as being interchangeable, I believe that actual cruiser ppl-- the sort of ppl who build and own and study cruisers-- do not feel that these are interchangeable. I feel that the sort of ppl who might actually post here see a very obvious distinction between the two.

And that may not apply to all of us, but it clearly does apply TO SOME. And to those who don't see a distinction, they'd theoretically come on here anyway, right?
We're both beach cruiser people and we disagree, but see here's the thing.. if they'd named the forum just cruisers I wouldn't be pushing to have it renamed beach cruisers cause that's the name I feel is more fitting.
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OK, let's just shoot down some strawmen here-- You may not be limited as a human being, as a cyclist, as a forum member, etc... it is more accurate to say that your position on the nomenclature being used on this forum is limited. I apologize if you took offense to any of that.

I believe that a more general term-- cruiser-- would benefit the forum.

I think that, in theory, C&V would embrace all bikes of a certain age. (I tend to like the cars with QQ tags approach to what age = vintage, but I know everyone has their own theories on this.) But I believe that the CV forum has a strong preference for roadies, touring bikes, and the bikes that fit between those. Nothing wrong with that, but I think that ppl with old cruisers probably have more in common with ppl who own new cruisers, as compared to the CV guys. Of course, with a few clicks, you can move between forums and enjoy em both.

I appreciate the kind words re: my bike knowledge. In truth, I have a knack for bike trivia, and I'm a half-decent wrench, but I don't consider myself to be on 65er's level. That man is a wizard.

Where I'm at now, with this thread, is I put the poll up. So far, "Beach Cruisers" has a narrow lead over "cruisers". No one has voted for "something else", but they've added some humorous suggestions. After a week, I'll take a look at the standings, and approach Tom SC about switching the name-- if Cruisers is way ahead. It may be moot, anyway-- he may not change it. But I think it'd be a positive switch.

For now, feast your eyes on some strandies: https://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=446554&p=1

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Originally Posted by surreal
OK, let's just shoot down some strawmen here-- You may not be limited as a human being, as a cyclist, as a forum member, etc... it is more accurate to say that your position on the nomenclature being used on this forum is limited. I apologize if you took offense to any of that.
Sorry Rob, but declaring me limited on the nomenclature of a forum is indeed in the vein of insulting especially since it's simply because I disagree with your personal assessment of the nomenclature, aka your opinion, I have my own opinion and this does not make it limited.. it makes it not your opinion. I never said you could match 65er either, I'm stating that you'd be a valued resource in C&V I'm sure with the knowledge you displayed in that long winded post, and you could go a long ways toward working out good will towards bikes you perceived as being below the radar in that particular forum if you spent the time in there and energy like you have on this thread.

Oh and I can't speak for Tom obviously, but his time is limited and he already does so much.. why bring him something that isn't a major issue other than to 3-4 people unless others express it in larger numbers? I'd rather he be fixing bugs and responding to threads he wants to and taunting us all with his fishing and cooking and sailing skills...

oh and I apologize since you did seem to think I was serious about the what are you smoking comment.
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Not to belabor the point, but "limited" can be a good thing in some cases, in others, it can't, but as far as insults go, that's gotta be the weakest one yet. I bet that gets tossed around often in bar fights. "Hey you-- Yeah, YOU! The limited guy! Who do ya think you're staring at?"

In this context, it's like I wanna call this forum "the Alphabet Forum", but you wanna call it "the Letter B Forum". Your preference is more limited than mine; it represents a subset of a larger category. There are many cruisers, and some of them are beach cruisers. If you limit the cruiser discussion to just beach cruisers, it's become limited. Have ppl really become this thin-skinned? Really, it's only insulting insofar as math can be insulting.

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@Scotty Bot: I'm pretty sure that if there's a "Crusier" forum on a bicycling website, people are going to know it's not referring to weapons of mass destruction. Is that what you expect to see on the "Cruiser" section of the Schwinn website?
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@scottybot: I'm pretty sure that if there's a "Crusier" forum on a bicycling website, people are going to know it's not referring to weapons of mass destruction. Is that what you expect on the "Cruiser" section of the Schwinn website?
Do not attend to the behavior. Pretty cool that the PTCruiser got love twice, though.
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And the Skyline police cruiser was an exciting, esoteric choice! (I'd have gone Crown Vic-- and, consequently, I'd have been boring.)
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