Originally Posted by surreal

Do not attend to the behavior. Pretty cool that the PTCruiser got love twice, though.

Originally Posted by surreal

Not to belabor the point, but "limited" can be a good thing in some cases, in others, it can't, but as far as insults go, that's gotta be the weakest one yet. I bet that gets tossed around often in bar fights. "Hey you-- Yeah, YOU! The limited guy! Who do ya think you're staring at?"

In this context, it's like I wanna call this forum "the Alphabet Forum", but you wanna call it "the Letter B Forum". Your preference is more limited than mine; it represents a subset of a larger category. There are many cruisers, and some of them are beach cruisers. If you limit the cruiser discussion to just beach cruisers, it's become limited. Have ppl really become this thin-skinned? Really, it's only insulting insofar as math can be insulting.

Originally Posted by surreal

I could go on, but why? You've got your mind made up, and you're not wrong, you're just limited. The term "beach cruiser", while popular with ppl who know little or nothing about bikes in general, holds little appeal to the cycling enthusiast, even those of us who actually dig cruisers. Even to those of us who dig beach cruisers! Because, frankly, that's a very limited sub-section of what cruisers have to offer.

Originally Posted by Trakhak

Not sure this subforum will ever get much traffic, no matter what the name, though.

Originally Posted by Scotty Bot

Most people who ride beach cruiser have active social lives outside of trolling bike forums... They are also typically tan, and good looking...
People who ride cruisers are generally fat, alcoholics, and have little to no class, and got their "cruiser" from Walmart because it came with a cup holder... Just create a new subforum...

Originally Posted by Brennan

Depends. If we broaden the category to "cruisers" that can encompass several different kinds of bikes, as surreal has described before. For example, here is a dedicated cruiser website that is pretty lively, described as "An online community for vintage custom cruiser bicycle enthusiasts."

https://www.ratrodbikes.com/forum/

Originally Posted by surreal

Really? you're serious?

You've been harping on the notion that "beach cruiser" will resonate more with young ppl, folks who go to "yahoo answers" for advice on Walmart bikes, and google searches. That's what made me bring up the term's popularity with with neophytes/non-cyclists, and the simple fact is, 1: most serious cyclists use the term "beach cruiser" in a pejorative manner.

When I generalize about ppl, it takes a bit of gumption to assume I'm insulting you. Especially given some of the things you've directed at Brennan and I in this thread. I'm just saying, I've never heard an actual cruiser person use the term "beach cruiser" to describe anything other than an actual beach cruiser. Roadies will call some of my bikes "beach cruisers" in a dismissive way, and snooty non-cyclists have called it that in a hecklish manner, but cruiser folks tend to get more specific-- even whilst they're heckling.

Originally Posted by Brennan

Interesting. The site owner's description in the top sticky appears to make the distinction as well, and seems to identify "cruiser" as the general category:

Originally Posted by surreal

Amazing.

-not smoking anything.
-I never saw the "where's the cruiser forum" thread, but it wouldn't surprise me, if it was in a non-cruiser forum, if it didn't get much traffic. TBH, I don't expect a cruiser forum on BF to ever get huge, but the term "beach cruiser" is poisonous.
-I'll ask Tom about it once we get a feeling for how most folks feel.
-"Mountain bike" is probably the most widely-used term for the pure offroad bikes, but they've been called other things (atb, trail bike...before "trail bike" took on a more specialized meaning). More importantly, "mountain bike" is not typically used as a derisive term (except for maybe on the cv forum). When I'm cruising, appreciative folks say things like "nice bike" or "i like your cruiser", while hecklers tend to refer to it as a "beach cruiser". As in, "ew, you're riding a beach cruiser." Not that I'm worried about how ppl judge my bike, but that's how the terms tend to be used.
- You mentioned the CV Forum. The fact is, the CV tribe despises cruisers. That forum needs a name-change more than this one does.
It should be called "Mid-to-high-end roadbikes from 1960-1987 and the weird rules we've applied to the accessories thereof", but of course that won't fly. Sad fact is, at least on BF, the terms "classic and vintage" have taken on a new, narrow meaning. In the CV world, a balloon bike from 1952 is neither classic nor vintage; it's a "beach cruiser".
- You don't know much about cruisers and cruiser culture if you think that weight, tire/wheel size, and ergos are universal on cruisers. Sure, they're mostly heavy, but a lot of folks are building cruisers that weigh half of what a beach rental does. Some folks (myself included) have built cruisers that are twice the weight of a beach rental. I've seen cruisers with 24x3" wheels out back, with 27" road wheels up front. I've seen cruisers with narrow tires front and rear. I've seen cruisers with high seats,low seats, banana seats, and every kind of handlebar ranging from apes, bmx bars, flat bars, and even drop bars. A lot of flipped northside bars on "boardtrack" builds, too.

Cruisers are pretty diverse. Beach cruisers, maybe not. Anyone who has been by a beachfront bike rental outfit already has seen all there is to see of the "beach cruiser", but cruisers run much deeper than that. Why would I, or anyone else, click on a forum called "beach cruisers" more than once? It'd only make sense if it were misnamed.

Respectfully,
Rob

PS- ppl were riding these styles of bikes on the streets and sidewalks for decades before the term "beach cruiser" was coined.

Originally Posted by RaleighSport

More interesting... the same guy named the forum Beach Cruisers.. interchangeable much? BTW where's the answers to my questions mr selective reader?

Originally Posted by Brennan

Nope. I already addressed your points and you refuse to answer my single question. Sorry, I'm not your performing monkey.

Originally Posted by RaleighSport

Actually.. no you've evaded my questions and seem to think you've answered them.. where's my honest answer as to why you leave out the paragraph that refuted your entire argument in the article that you yourself referenced.. better yet why were there quotations marks around a non quote? See this is the problem you don't clean it up after, and thus I brand you a troll.

Originally Posted by Brennan

Nope. Answer the question.